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Who's making noise in and around Madison? What's new in the business of making music around town? Review shows and CDs here. Please keep all hype in Hype Exchange.

Postby christopher_robin » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:06 pm

I have a supergroup of cats in my home.
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Postby auntgoodness » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:09 pm

Take it easy, kids. In a local music scene context, supergroup is merely a cute compliment.
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Postby rezin » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:15 pm

darn, i thought this was about that vh1 show
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Postby Cooltapes » Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:10 pm

Windom wrote:
Thoughts?


Just like Eric Clapton and Jack Bruce, but at the local level.
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Postby Windom » Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:14 pm

auntgoodness wrote:Take it easy, kids. In a local music scene context, supergroup is merely a cute compliment.


hold your horses grandma - my post was arguing the opposite, it's more of a jab - especially in a local context.
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Postby sunspot_mike » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:03 am

Windom wrote:hold your horses grandma - my post was arguing the opposite, it's more of a jab - especially in a local context.


It would be a jab if used sarcastically, but you'd have to read the context it was said in. What context have you read it in as a negative, rather than a descriptive term?
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Postby Windom » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:38 pm

I would say it is an insult at any level, but that's just me. The idea is that it bases the identity on the past musical history, = stale
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Postby Stepbrother » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:41 pm

i thought it was funny when Rokker was calling Spiral Seed a supergroup (after they were 'd13' eheheh), i heard some people who went to see them live were pretty unhappy about that.

'if you're gonna call someone a supegroup it'd better be fucking super'
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Postby auntgoodness » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:07 pm

Windom wrote:I would say it is an insult at any level, but that's just me. The idea is that it bases the identity on the past musical history, = stale


Not exactly sure I understand your post, but to me past musical history doesn't always equal stale.

For example, the New Pornographers were always getting introduced as a supergroup when they busted out, which I found slightly annoying since I didn't know who those folks were. But, it made me curious enough to check out the members' other stuff, which turned me on to Neko Case. Holy. I didn't know what I was missing. Now I think I like her solo stuff better than the New Pornos. (Or maybe that proves your point...)

Locally I still think it's a cute way to say "these people were all in bands you probably saw around town before" or "these are all accomplished musicians." Those usually aren't bad things.
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Postby charliedon'tsurf » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:57 pm

Windom wrote:I would say it is an insult at any level, but that's just me. The idea is that it bases the identity on the past musical history, = stale


I am one of the people who is part of the problem. I have referred to both Helliphant and Whore Du Jour as "supergroups" due to the fact they are newish bands with members who have distinguished resumes in the Madison music scene. For the record I have good friends in both bands, enjoy their music and while meant in a somewhat tongue in cheek way, it was always stated with respect for said musical entities. Upon reading this thread and my own self analysis I am trying to scrub that term from my vocabulary unless I am discussing Blind Faith or that one band with Slash and the heroin addict guy from Stone Temple Pilots.

A lot of the music people tend to care about was created by groups that contain members of a band they liked previously. I was immediately interested in the band Houndrunner because I knew it was a supergroup, if you will, combining two members of Colony of Watts with Jesse from Hat Party, two bands I have a lot of respect and admiration for. Awesome Snakes, a band composed of Annie and Danny from the Soviettes, put out the best selling record on Crustacean in 2006 and those sales were tied to the fact that we marketed Venom to the Soviette's fanbase (which bought over 10,000 copies of LP III in less than a year) even though the bands are quite dissimilar musically and lyrically.

The "ex-members of factor" has a lot to due with the initial success of a band. I will certainly admit it is sad seeing someone ride the coattails of a past project that had a lot of merit by delivering a stale repackaged version of the previous band. However, that is no reason to ignore why people buy particular records or attend particular concerts in the real world.
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Postby zonker » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:14 pm

Windom wrote:Supergroup: a bunch of musicians playing the same tired shit they played in their last band, only with some other tired people who are equally guilty of dragging out their same couple of ideas. No offense to anyone who's been dubbed a "supergroup" but to me it tends to mean that the band will not make a new contribution to music.

Thoughts?


Although we have been referred to as a supergroup, that's certainly not the case with Cement Pond. But maybe if we did just play a bunch of Killdozer songs we could get more people to come to our shows. Give the people what they want..... cover songs.
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Postby spacetiki » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:04 pm

zonker wrote:
Windom wrote:Supergroup: a bunch of musicians playing the same tired shit they played in their last band, only with some other tired people who are equally guilty of dragging out their same couple of ideas. No offense to anyone who's been dubbed a "supergroup" but to me it tends to mean that the band will not make a new contribution to music.

Thoughts?


Although we have been referred to as a supergroup, that's certainly not the case with Cement Pond. But maybe if we did just play a bunch of Killdozer songs we could get more people to come to our shows. Give the people what they want..... cover songs.



Maybe you could change your name to Kill-Induced DrugJohn #5 and reap all kinds of nostalgia monkey cash! :D

I don't think I've been in a band labled as a "supergroup" yet. But I'm definitely not above mentioning past projects. (Mainly because I'm always the guy everyone forgets was in "that one band")
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Postby jammybastard » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:26 pm

Here's your Supergroup!

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That *band*, and many others of their ilk have made the term meaningless and it's an insult to call Helliphant a "supergroup" because of the negative conotations of the title.
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Postby d2drums » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:36 pm

Supergroups kick ass! Long live Sebastian! Who gives a flock about a name? If the palyers are all at the top of their games, when they enter into a group situation, I'd say that was a SUPER GROUP- as opposed to four or five douche bags that hate each other and make shitty music. What's in a name?
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I agree

Postby tom46n2 » Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:57 pm

No doubt, dude. Sometimes it works out. And what the else are the old guys supposed to do anyway. So be it!

We need help promoting our show at the Klinic Bar on April 7. We're a TOOL Tribute band. Any help is appreciated!!

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