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Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby defactobrigade » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:22 pm

Vog wrote:
Remove the word pop and I don't have a problem the list in general.

I think Albertoni made a good effort to encapsulate some of the most successful album releases over the past 50 years in Madison. He reminded everyone that this scene has some notable history. His only mistake was calling them the best, as that is always a subjective thing.

If someone who actually knew more about the scene of today and yesteryear wrote the article they would actually encompass the best Madison bands, NOT just the most "popular" ones. I don't give a shit who made it up the charts (doesn't mean shit), GIVE ME THE GOOD MUSIC DOOD. If I wanted to know that shit I'd just search that thing called the internet.

NOT saying that I know enough about the Madison scene to be able to write that, but I'm sure there are some people around town who'd have a better idea....
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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby zippy » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:54 am

Walter wrote:
supaunknown wrote:A "gunt" is a combination of "gut" and "cunt", you gunt.


Go easy, now. He is just bitter he's never ever had a girlfriend, let alone one whom he could tell how awesomely talented he thinks he is.

Or not.

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Hey Walter I have one. And I know you do not, because you do not even know enough not to use even a derivation of the word cunt in front of a woman. Plus your name is Walter for god sake LOL!
A nerdly er name was never noted.
Now come on Walter show us how many really cool obscure Madison bands you know the name of!
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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby Walter » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:35 am

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Eight year olds, Dude.
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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby dave esmond » Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:13 am

Vog wrote:
Remove the word pop and I don't have a problem the list in general.


There was a time, not that long ago because time truely does fly by, when Pop was a common abbreviation for Popular Music...


No shit.

But the article was written in 2010, not 1961.

99% of what is on the list was recorded long after pop stopped meaning popular.

Words change meaning and you'd think writers ought to be able to keep up.




....international crossover (Kyu Sakamoto "Sukiyaki")


Great song.
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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby Mad Genius » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:54 pm

Some very odd arguments going on here over what is, essentially, a printed mix tape.

First point: It's somewhat pointless to suggest that The Isthmus shouldn't have compiled this list (why not?), their picks were irrelevant (they weren't) or they were receiving sexual favors from Butch Vig (just... ewww...)

Yeah, Rich Albertoni has access to a newspaper, but you have this forum, and at the end of the day, his favorite records have no more importance, validity or relevancy than the ones you picked out last night with the other barflies at Mickey's. Your suggestions probably caught just as many interested eyes here as it would have in the paper. No musicians died; Pete & Lou Berryman aren't planning to retire in embarrassment. All that probably happened is Mad City probably sold one or two more Killdozer records this week. If you think that's a bad thing, well, then you're petty, you just don't like the music in this town or you hate the people that cover it for peanuts. Which one is it?

Second, Dave, I love ya, but...
dave esmond wrote:...pop stopped meaning popular.


Oh? Since when?

The reality of this statement in relation to the article is a little complex. When it comes to the general public, you're wrong. Pop music still means what's popular. The 1961 "definition" mentioned earlier (popular hits can come from anywhere, as long as lots of people buy it) is still very much alive as of last week's Billboard with hip-hop (Eminem, T-Pain), soul (Alicia Keys, Taio Cruz), alternative (Travie McCoy, La Roux), teen idols (Justin Bieber), latino pop (Enrique Iglesias), M.O.R. rock (Train) and country (Lady Antebellum, Carrie Underwood) all making a run in the top 30.

Now from a musicians point-of-view, it does get a little murky. Indie fans like you and I could easily call the Pixies and New Pornographers "pop music," because of the mainstream elements of their DNA, but the general public won't agree until they score a hit. Case in point: I'd bet Feist's "1234" is called "pop" far more often on the radio than her friends in Broken Social Scene or Stars, despite their sounds being relatively similar.

So, in that sense, no matter which way you argue it, Rich's title for this collection works: To Madison record buyers, Lou & Peter Berryman, Killdozer and Spooner have popular records, they've probably sold more copies than other local bands, but it's also pop music due to the accessible aspects of their sounds. They really are "pop albums."

Now are they the "Top" records? See my first point.
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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby dave esmond » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:49 am

Mad Genius wrote:
Second, Dave, I love ya, but...
dave esmond wrote:...pop stopped meaning popular.


Oh? Since when?


[musicgeek]

Fine. I'm using the record collector definition.

As in there used to be pop, country and r&b charts. "File under Pop" and all that.

Of course all kinds of stuff us still "poppy". Heck I play in a "power pop" band.

And of course anything in the top 40 is "popular".

But most music writers stopped using the word pop to mean just anything popular in about 1961.

Calling Peter & Lou, Tar Babies or Killdozer "pop" just seems wrong to me.

But in the end no one's gonna die or even get kinda sick because I think Rich used the word wrong in 2010.

[/musicgeek]
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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby Walter » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:39 pm

dave esmond wrote:But most music writers stopped using the word pop to mean just anything popular in about 1961.

Calling Peter & Lou, Tar Babies or Killdozer "pop" just seems wrong to me.

But in the end no one's gonna die or even get kinda sick because I think Rich used the word wrong in 2010.

[/musicgeek]


+1

I know Dave Esmond and he's no music geek. He is THE music geek.
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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:30 pm

As on old fart, I've got to chime in. "Of All Time" goes back farther than 1980. The Madison part must mean the Madison area, since Underground Sunshine and the Fendermen were included. My only gripe: Robin Zanders of Cheap Trick got his start in the Dells, so Live at Bukokon should have been mentioned.
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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby Goober McTuber » Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:57 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:My only gripe: Robin Zanders of Cheap Trick got his start in the Dells, so Live at Bukokon should have been mentioned.

If you're such a fan you might want to at least get his name right.
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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:01 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:As on old fart, I've got to chime in. "Of All Time" goes back farther than 1980. The Madison part must mean the Madison area, since Underground Sunshine and the Fendermen were included. My only gripe: Robin Zander of Cheap Trick got his start in the Dells, so Live at Bukokon should have been mentioned.


editted for the typo
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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:03 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:My only gripe: Robin Zanders of Cheap Trick got his start in the Dells, so Live at Bukokon should have been mentioned.

If you're such a fan you might want to at least get his name right.

Done. Now do you want to add something germane to the topic?
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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby supaunknown » Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:11 pm

Anybody see the biography on Colonel Zanders last night on CNBC? It was finger lickin' good.
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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby Walter » Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:42 pm

FIRE IT UP, HARLAN!!!!
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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby Kyle Motor » Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:38 pm

Extraneous 's' aside, Mr. Vilas has a good point. Cheap Trick's management was based out of Madison. Hell, look on the back cover of a copy of Live At Budokan, the address for "Cheap Trick International" is on University Ave. They played tons here and in the area in their up & coming years. They've gigged in town more than Garbage has.

And that Underground Sunshine LP SUCKS.
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Re: Top 25 Madison Pop Albums Of All Time

Postby Goober McTuber » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:16 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Now do you want to add something germane to the topic?


Sie nicht mit Kritik sehr gut.
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