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Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

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Re: Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

Postby Doright_Dudley » Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:41 pm

rabble wrote:That settles it! Shove a mine up their ass!


Based on the track record of the Bad River Band, the mine will help clean up their mess.
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Re: Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

Postby rabble » Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:53 pm

You got it Dudley. The only cure for waste treatment problems is a permanent injection of heavy metals. Everybody knows that. You're a bastion of environmental protection.
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Re: Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

Postby Doright_Dudley » Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:30 pm

Right back at you Rabble for defending the Bad River Band's horrible track record of environmental stewardship.
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Re: Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

Postby rabble » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:34 pm

I don't understand your hostility.

I agree with you; if anyone in a native american tribe has done anything wrong, or if it appears they've done something wrong, it means we absolutely MUST shove a mine up the tribe's ass.

Are you saying that's not true?
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Re: Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

Postby snoqueen » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:45 pm

No, he's saying because they aren't wealthy enough to put in a new sewage treatment plant, they don't have the right to defend their treaty rights.
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Re: Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

Postby rabble » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:06 pm

Oh.

Crap. Now I've got to re-evaluate my entire ideology.
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Re: Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

Postby HawkHead » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:33 pm

snoqueen wrote:No, he's saying because they aren't wealthy enough to put in a new sewage treatment plant, they don't have the right to defend their treaty rights.


They should put in a casino to raise funds!

Looks like they already have one on Odanah, WI.

http://www.badriver.com/
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Re: Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

Postby Donald » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:34 pm

Let Dudley misconstrue as much as he wants. His arguments actually work against the mine. Any mine discharges to waters that are being polluted by the improper discharge are going to be much more heavily scruntized and the mining operation is less likely to be granted permits. In any case, it will add considerably more complexity to the study the mine will have to do. Keep talking, Dud.
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Re: Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:02 pm

Mining bill author admits it will cause environmental harm

In the ongoing, often emotional debate over iron mining in northern Wisconsin, proponents have continued to insist that a bill to streamline permitting for such mines will not harm the environment.

Gov. Scott Walker's comments Thursday to The Business Journal in Milwaukee are typical: “We are going to go forward with a permitting process that still protects our natural resources. It’s incredibly important to tourism, it’s important to agriculture and timber in (northern Wisconsin). We’re not going to do something that jeopardizes that.”

But the main author of the controversial mining bill that's moving quickly through the Republican-led state Legislature admitted otherwise on Thursday.

And, with numerous groups already vowing to challenge the bill in court, Sen. Tom Tiffany also acknowledged that changes were made to the legislation to put the state on stronger legal ground to withstand such a challenge.

“The bill reflects the reality of mining. There are going to be some impacts to the environment above the iron ore body,” said Tiffany, R-Hazelhurst. “If the law is challenged and ends up in court, the judge needs to know it was the Legislature’s intent to allow adverse (environmental) impacts. That way, a judge can’t find fault if the environment is impacted.”


Wow.
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Re: Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

Postby rabble » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:46 pm

If there's a little bit of woodland heaven you remember from childhood and it's still there, go visit it as soon as you can.
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Re: Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

Postby Donald » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:44 pm

If the tribe is doing something to violate the Clean Water Act, then Dudley has many options to address it, including formal complaints and/or a citizen suit. There doesn't seem to be any point to his complaints here, other than to assert a claim that the tribe has no right to oppose a mine that will pollute tribal land and waters.

But Dudley is legally wrong. Whatever you conclude about the tribe's violations or non-violations of the Clean Water Act, the tribe and federal agencies still have legal requirements to address the mine's potential impact on tribal resources.

The Blue Legs case can be cited here. The Pine Ridge Reservation had a number of open dumps that were polluting. Tribal members sued, and got the tribe and federal authorities to shut down the offending dumps and create a regulated landfill.

http://elr.info/litigation/%5Bfield_art ... legs-v-epa

All through the period that the tribe was violating the RCRA, the tribe had the legal authority and duty to assure that illegal dumping, including illegally dumped medical waste from Denver hospitals, was curtailed.

Indeed, the same issue pertains to the State of Wisconsin, which from time to time violate environmental laws (eg., the state power plants). Just because State facilities sometimes are not in compliance doesn't mean the State can't assert its right and authority to protect its interests. In fact it has a duty to do just that.
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Re: Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:38 pm

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Re: Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

Postby SombreroFallout » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:05 pm

Doright_Dudley wrote:"In Wisconsin, the Bad River had the highest number of violations between 2004 and 2008 - 241."

Bill Williams and Doright_Dudley are attempting to poison our water.

Bad River is working to clean up the water, and working to protect the watershed.

Bad River Population: ~7,000
Milwaukee Area Population (roughly): ~700,000
MMSD Service Area Population: 1.1 million
U.S Great Lakes Watershed Popn: 40 million

Combined Sewer Overflows involve "356 municipalities within Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, and Wisconsin are 'being inundated with billions of gallons of raw human waste and other untreated sewage that cities and towns should be cleaning up under eight-year-old Clean Water Act rules' ...”

"Nearly 1 billion gallons of untreated sewage and storm water - double the capacity of the deep tunnel system - spilled out of combined sanitary and storm sewers in central Milwaukee and eastern Shorewood into local rivers and Lake Michigan during intense rain Friday and early Saturday." In a single event.

Somehow in this context we're supposed to believe the guy with less than 1/5,000th the population of the watershed's non-Native population is the issue.

The problem is not Bad River. The problem is Doright_Dudley & Co. are operating in bad faith.

Doright_Dudley is a liar, of course; a dishonest thug in dave blaska's terminology. He cites number of incidents because volume of CSO sewage discharges at non_Indian facilities occur at the billions-of-gallons-per-event, at an unimaginable scale--and taking personal responsibility is something Doright_Dudley refuses to do, even when the municipal and corporate polluters are Doright_Dudley's friends and allies. He doesn't WANT there to be any cleanup, and he doesn't want clean water.

If Doright_Dudley had any concern at all for clean water:

He'd bless Mike Wiggins' work to stop Bill Williams' attempt to poison the drinking water of Ashland and Odahah alike.

He'd tell Tom Tiffany to take the $171 million annually in fees customarily used as local compensation to cover local costs and damages -- which Tiffany handed over to G-Tac in AB1/AB2 as corporate welfare -- and use it to clean up sanitation facilities on the Bad River.

He'd demand John Boehner commit enough money to clean up Milwaukee's CSO problem along with the other 356 communities.

Doright_Dudley is scapegoating as fast as he can. There's an anti-democracy, anti-science, anti-American, anti-economic and there is a racist tone to Doright_Dudley's 'activity here. Tell a Big Lie; repeat it as often as possible; repeat it so loudly D_D begins to drown out any other conversation or subject area; present it as hypocrisy when Doright_Dudley's bald double standard is that he wants to commit a far greater environmental crime than ALL OF Bad River's 241 incidents put together.

Doright_Dudley's a Troll, of the lowest order. He's the neighbor that burns down your barn in January when it's 10 degrees F below, just to keep warm for a night.

Question: What is Doright_Dudley doing to protect Wisconsin's water quality?
Answer: Nothing.

Question: Why does Doright_Dudley want special rights for himself that no one else benefits from?
Answer: He believes the rules don't apply, that Doright_Dudley is above the law.
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Re: Clean Water Act Violations by Bad River Chippewa

Postby snoqueen » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:41 pm

Nice job, Sombrero.
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