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Is John Gard really as dumb as he sounds?

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John Gard's I.Q.:

<80
9
47%
>80, <100
7
37%
>100, <140 (you're kidding, right?)
3
16%
 
Total votes : 19

Is John Gard really as dumb as he sounds?

Postby swifty » Thu Jan 01, 2004 3:41 pm

Saw him in the paper this week, and felt the need to stir the pot a little. I've heard him on the radio a few times lately, and this guy has less command of the English language than the shrub. He seems to have difficulty pronouncing words with more than one syllable.

How is it possible that the repubes elected him speaker? Is he just a puppet like shrub? If so, is Jensen the guy doing the proctology? It sure isn't Mike Ellis. Thoughts?
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Postby graceland » Thu Jan 01, 2004 4:14 pm

Yup. Here is another example of the strong intelectual debate we can expect from the open-minded liberals of Dane County.

Nothing more than name calling and personal attacks.

If you have problems with Rep. Gard, suck it up and bring it and we can talk about it. If you just don't like him, go write "I hate John G" 1,000 times in your spiral notebook.
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Postby Michael Patrick » Thu Jan 01, 2004 7:33 pm

He's smart enough to live in Sun Prairie and collect the higher per diem for someone who lives in his district in Peshtigo... :roll:
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Postby ShaneDog » Thu Jan 01, 2004 8:23 pm

Michael Patrick wrote:He's smart enough to live in Sun Prairie and collect the higher per diem for someone who lives in his district in Peshtigo... :roll:

Yeah you would think that since the state is in such a budget crisis that everyone would be expected to do their part...
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Postby graceland » Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:02 pm

Does anyone here complain about Rep. Schnieder (D-Wisconsin Rapids) living, working and schooling his kids here in Madison while collecting, consistantly, the most per diems in the entire Legislature?

Does anyone really believe that Legislative per diems are the cause of the budget crisis? Or even a contributing factor to the budget crisis? They may total a couple $100,000 for the entire Legislature over a 2 year cycle. Hardly a drop in the bucket when compared to the savings that were cut from the budget by our "Democrat" Governor.

Why don't we look at what it costs to have Diamond Jim Doyle sitting in the East Wing rather than lob lame assaults at the Speaker.

If this is the best argument the Dems are going to have for 2004, I can see the GOP majority in the Assembly going to 60+ seats and the GOP Senate moving closer to 20.
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Postby ShaneDog » Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:29 pm

graceland wrote:Does anyone here complain about Rep. Schnieder (D-Wisconsin Rapids) living, working and schooling his kids here in Madison while collecting, consistantly, the most per diems in the entire Legislature?

No but if I had known about it I would have and now that I do know I lost all respect for the guy.

graceland wrote:Does anyone really believe that Legislative per diems are the cause of the budget crisis?

No, but it's hypocritical to press for other cuts to the budget when you are contributing, however small, to unnecessary cost overruns.
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Postby graceland » Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:47 pm

An honest response.

Refreshing.

Thanks S-Dog.

I'm not sure how hypocritical it is to collect a salary. His job is to do what he thinks is best for the state. If that means pushing for budget cuts, so be it.

If you ask me, Legislative salaries are too low right now as it is. It amazes me that we get any kind of quality people in those positions with the salary we pay them.
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Postby swifty » Thu Jan 01, 2004 10:31 pm

graceland wrote:Yup. Here is another example of the strong intelectual debate we can expect from the open-minded liberals of Dane County.

Nothing more than name calling and personal attacks.

If you have problems with Rep. Gard, suck it up and bring it and we can talk about it. If you just don't like him, go write "I hate John G" 1,000 times in your spiral notebook.


Heh heh.... liberal... heh heh.... you don't read many of my posts do you? BTW, intellectual has 2 l's..

Anyway, my problem is that the guy seems to have the intellectual capacity of an average houseplant. And he's making decisions about how our legislature is run. How is that a personal attack? I'm simply questioning his qualifications for his job.

Suck it up and bring it? Ok, on the playground at 3 o'clock... be there.

Interesting info on Schneider.. thanks. I'll have to check that out, maybe pop off an e-mail to his office.
Last edited by swifty on Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:52 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby ShaneDog » Fri Jan 02, 2004 1:19 am

graceland wrote:I'm not sure how hypocritical it is to collect a salary. His job is to do what he thinks is best for the state. If that means pushing for budget cuts, so be it.

Per-diem for travel expenses is not a salary, it is a budgeted expense. You are only supposed to take as much as you need (use).
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Postby Paco » Fri Jan 02, 2004 6:06 am

graceland wrote:Why don't we look at what it costs to have Diamond Jim Doyle sitting in the East Wing rather than lob lame assaults at the Speaker.

such as?


The guy was given a budget with a whole the size of the Grand Canyon(thank you tommy!), I didn't vote for him, but he's doing the best he can and a hell of a lot better than the last doofus would be doing right now.
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Postby graceland » Fri Jan 02, 2004 10:51 am

I really hate when people feel the need to get off on simple spelling mistakes. Let's just debate the issue, ok? I won't bring up the two spelling errors in the last three messages.

Anyway. Gard is as "qualified" as anyone to run the Assembly. He's been elected by his district and his peers in the Assembly have elected him to be Speaker. If you ask me, I think his experience working on the budgets when he was Co-Chair of the Finance committee more than "qualifies" him to be in the position he is in.

If not Rep. Gard, who should be speaker?

Issue #2- The budget has a hole in it thanks to Tommy. When are you guys going to get over this? Almost the entire time Tommy was in office, the Democrats had control of both or at least one house of the Legislature. They are just as much to blame for any budgetary problems (and I'd argue even moreso) than Tommy ever was.

Issue #3- Personal attacks. I suppose questioning his command of English and inferring that he is a "puppet" of Scott Jensen is just a nice way of questioning his "qualifications". I must have missed that day in debating class.

Finally, how is Diamond Jim Doyle (who, like Clinton, nobody seemed to have voted for) costing the state? He sends his wife trapsing around the state playing "where is waldo", his record on airplane travel is almost as bad as McCallum's ever was, he spends most of his time lining up campaigning (with Presidential candidates and vetoing bills all over the state). That doesn't even get into his veto of the tax freeze and of course, it doesn't get into his forcing a casino on Dane County, which is certainly going to cost the taxpayers here dough.

There, I think I covered everything.
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Postby pulseCzar » Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:04 am

Gard represents the district where I grew up and where my parents still live. He's managed to piss off a LOT of the middle of the road people who would normally vote for him. Of course that district also has a lot of nasty old far-right wingers who vote in force so this election could be interesting depending on who runs against the twit.

Yes, Gard does sound like an uneducated oaf when he speaks. Yes, he uses every loophole possible to his advantage. No, Gard is not in Peshtigo every weekend despite his claim that he is. No, he does not represent the best interests of his district; this "job" is just a stepping stone and he treats it as such.

Gard is not dumb. He knows exactly how to make life as difficult as possible for Doyle & co. He is one of the kings of partisanship. Whenever there is a conflict as to what's best for his district vs. what's best for his own poltical career, John Gard will go with whatever will help his poltical aspirations. You can book it.
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Postby nevermore » Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:07 am

graceland wrote:If not Rep. Gard, who should be speaker?

DuWayne Johnsrud! DUWAYNE JOHNSRUD!!!!

Issue #3- Personal attacks.


Here's an idea - why don't you spare us this false, transparent indignation? I, for one, am not going to take any lectures from someone who whines about

Nothing more than name calling and personal attacks.


and follows it up less than five hours later with

Diamond Jim Doyle


Tell me, are you Rich Graber or are you just some Capitol flack who can't even come up with any original smack? My guess is that you're the latter. Your takes are tired and barely worth reading. Oh, and I've got John Gard on line two - he wants you to go over to his office and apply a fresh coat of spittle to his boots.

Better get moving, underling. :lol:
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Postby pulseCzar » Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:15 am

For a good laugh, here's a typical John Gard supporter from his district:

http://www.eagleherald.com/pali1122.htm

http://www.eagleherald.com/palid121.htm
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Postby graceland » Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:18 am

Ah yes, I must be an "insider" if I feel the need to defend John Gard. I am an underling. Brilliant.

Who I am or what I do is of no matter to this debate.

I can support your candidate for speaker. Rep. Johnsrud is a good man who speaks his mind and does what he feels is best. Wait a tick, that sounds just like Rep. Gard, Rep. Jensen, Rep. Brancel, Rep. Kunicki, any Speaker.

They do what they have to do. If you don't like it (or them) get your butt up to their districts and work to beat them, or write a check to their opponent.

As for political aspirations beyond the Speakership. I don't know, you don't know and to say you do (unless you are Rep. Gard) is utter garbage. We all have our hunches, but to say that everything he does is to run for higher office? Seems sour grapes to me.

By the by, what is wrong with having goals? Why should everyone who shows some willingness to work and maybe move "up" the political ladder be put down on this forum?
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