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Today in voter suppression

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby jman111 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:52 pm

wack wack wrote:
Bludgeon wrote:You can just picture...

You're making shit up...

Sounds like a fair assessment to me, wack.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby jman111 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:58 pm

Bludgeon wrote:Anyway - fret not. The voter ID law seems not to affect absentee voting anyway. So let the fraud-fest continue in the absentee ballot racket.

Wait, what? How do you figure?

Mail-in absentee voters are not require to provide photo ID with their absentee application for any election prior to 2012 February Primary. However, if a mail-in absentee elector voluntarily provides a copy of photo ID (not required until spring 2012) with their absentee application, municipal clerks will need to maintain a record documenting photo ID was provided.

Once a mail-in absentee voter has provided photo ID, they are not required to provide photo ID again with subsequent absentee ballot requests, unless their registration status changes (address or name change will require them to complete another Voter Registration Application GAB-131).
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Bludgeon » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:41 pm

Ah.... Cool - awesome. That was my main complaint about the law, glad to see they really did do something about absentee voter fraud. All good. This will help a lot.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby jman111 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:51 pm

Any other false assumptions you'd accept help with?
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Bludgeon » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:56 pm

jman111 wrote:Any other false assumptions you'd accept help with?

Nope. Doing good thanks.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby DCB » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:13 pm

fisticuffs wrote:
There it is right there lol. So no, its not an exaggeration.


Well it's true and relevant. if poll workers were telling this to seniors (which they aren't doing) why would that be so bad?.

I think it is illegal for poll workers to lobby for or even discuss election issues at the voting place.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Bludgeon » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:19 pm

DCB wrote:
fisticuffs wrote:
There it is right there lol. So no, its not an exaggeration.


Well it's true and relevant. if poll workers were telling this to seniors (which they aren't doing) why would that be so bad?.

I think it is illegal for poll workers to lobby for or even discuss election issues at the voting place.


I personally did not say a thing about poll workers. Whatever though.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:31 pm

Bludgeon wrote: Whatever though.

Are you in middle school?

You implied that people who help register/fill out a ballot, when someone resides in assisted care, tell them who to vote for. And you know (know, not believe) this to be true because...?
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Bludgeon » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:45 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
Bludgeon wrote: Whatever though.

Are you in middle school?

You implied that people who help register/fill out a ballot, when someone resides in assisted care, tell them who to vote for. And you know (know, not believe) this to be true because...?


What do they have, nuns going around taking votes? What do you think ACORN's get out the vote operations did? Same people who fill out the fake voter registrations are often the ones who go nursing home hopping. Its convenient for them in the case of dying seniors because they're people who actually exist--physically anyway.

Seriously though, what do they have, nuns going around? It takes a special kind of low to walk into the room of someone who is about to die and waste precious moments of the last part of their lives on being manipulated for cheap political gain. If they're not badgering dying people they're being caught in possession of illegally obtained absentee ballots they have filled out themselves.

You think the ACORN people were any more scrupulous about the sanctity of a person's right to vote than they were about promoting forged registrations and god knows what else? These are not altruistic people going around raiding nursing homes. Fraud is bad enough. Degrading real votes is bad enough and everybody should be pissed at every instance where the value of their vote is devalued by illicit activity. Nursing home mining is the very lowest of the low.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:49 pm

OK, now I get it. You hate ACORN, so you assume (without any proof) that they go into nursing homes and cajole residents to vote for liberals.

Do you work for FOX "News"?
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby jman111 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:53 pm

And, soooo, how then does the new voter ID law prevent this alleged "nursing home mining"?
And, assuming it does actually happen, should we not be equally angry at the television pundits who use the same scare tactics nearly 24/7?
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby ilikebeans » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:30 pm

Bludgeon wrote:It takes a special kind of low to walk into the room of someone who is about to die and waste precious moments of the last part of their lives on being manipulated for cheap political gain.

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Seriously. That kind of systematic behavior is egregious enough that it would make the news.

So let's see it.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Bland » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:18 am

ilikebeans wrote:That kind of systematic behavior is egregious enough that it would make the news.

So let's see it.

You know he's just going to post another link to an irrelevant Google search, right?
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Bludgeon » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:28 am

ilikebeans wrote:
Bludgeon wrote:It takes a special kind of low to walk into the room of someone who is about to die and waste precious moments of the last part of their lives on being manipulated for cheap political gain.

Seriously. That kind of systematic behavior is egregious enough that it would make the news.

So let's see it.

Let's not see it - in 2012 when we take Herb Kohl's seat and the white house. Feingold nobly refused support from the national party - that will help him in 2014 when he makes a run for governor. 2012's Democrat is not going to have the option to turn down help - national Democrats trying to hold the senate aren't going to be able to spare too many months of funding for what they're already starting to call a lost cause.

None of us here own a research firm - alas, none of you will be able to dig into reliable numbers on how much the vote was or was not disenfranchised when it is all said and done.

If I had a research firm I would investigate how much of the senior vote is Dem/Republican outside of nursing homes and compare that with how much of the senior vote is Dem/Republican inside of nursing homes. I would lay money on the bet that - mysteriously - a significantly higher percentage of institutionalized seniors "vote" Democrat than what we see on the outside.

But neither one of us is going to find out. In the end the most reliable evidence pertaining to voter fraud will be the results of next year's election, though some may say the results of this year's recall failure ought to give you a hint.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby O.J. » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:57 am

Bludgeon wrote:
If I had a research firm I would investigate how much of the senior vote is Dem/Republican outside of nursing homes and compare that with how much of the senior vote is Dem/Republican inside of nursing homes. I would lay money on the bet that - mysteriously - a significantly higher percentage of institutionalized seniors "vote" Democrat than what we see on the outside.


So, you're saying that those people most in need of compassion and government assistance might turn to the party that will actually offer that? Maybe there's hope for you yet.
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