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Today in voter suppression

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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby wack wack » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:09 am

How does the GOP continue to crow about local and state control with a straight face, while keeping its mouth fully locked onto the ALEC teat?
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:58 pm

New rules on college IDs for voting still up in the air.

A legislative committee has decided to hold off on forcing state election officials to change their policies on photo identification requirements for student voters and downloadable recall petitions, but election officials will revisit the issues.

Leaders of the Joint Committee for Review of Administrative Rules on Thursday intended to tell the Government Accountability Board to revisit its decisions on the election guidelines.

Wisconsin's new voter ID law lets students vote with college IDs if the cards expire within two years. The GAB has adopted a policy allowing cost-conscious universities to place two-year stickers on existing cards.

The board also has agreed to permit recall organizers to prepopulate online recall petitions with addresses that signers can easily download.

The Legislature's rules committee has balked at the policies.
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Democrats had been concerned that if Republicans forced the GAB into revisiting earlier guidelines, the rules about recalls and voting would have gone to the governor for approval.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby ilikebeans » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:36 pm

wack wack wrote:How does the GOP continue to crow about local and state control with a straight face, while keeping its mouth fully locked onto the ALEC teat?

Oh, but they'll make the point (as Blaska has done) that the states are all passing these laws on their own.

Sure, they're all tightly organized through ALEC and follow marching orders without question or critical thought, but technically it's the states doing it individually, right? Right?
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:02 pm

The costs continue to add up.

New student IDs for voting could cost UW-Madison $700,000 every two years

Wisconsin's voter ID law will present new hurdles to some students and cost UW-Madison as much as $700,000 if the university provides all students new identification cards to comply with the law.
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Students who present university IDs to vote must also present proof of enrollment, which could include tuition payment receipts or an official letter from the university, GAB attorney Michael Haas said.

"That proof of enrollment is really a key," Haas said.

Student IDs issued by technical colleges would be not a valid form of voter ID under the law.
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Students are also more likely to face new issues with changes to voter registration rules, said Madison City Clerk Maribeth Witzel-Behl.

Anyone registering to vote at the polls or fewer than 20 days before election day can no longer have a roommate verify their residency. That could particularly affect college students who share an apartment but only have one student's name on the utility bill, Witzel-Behl said.

Also, students living in university housing could previously rely on housing lists provided by the university to a local clerk's office as proof of residency when registering on Election Day. But the change in state law requires those lists to indicate immigration status, which under federal law means they can't be shared as easily with a clerk's office.


Students could carry a concealed firearm, but might be restricted in voting.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:36 pm

Lawsuit claims voter ID law violates Wisconsin Constitution

Wisconsin's controversial voter ID law violates the state constitution by creating a new class of ineligible voters, according to a lawsuit filed Thursday in Dane County Circuit Court.

Unlike lawsuits in other states challenging similar voter ID laws, the lawsuit filed by the League of Women Voters of Wisconsin Education Network focused on the law's compliance with the state constitution instead of the U.S. Constitution, attorney Lester Pines said.

"The Wisconsin Constitution only allows the Legislature to exclude the two named classes from voting — felons and people ruled incompetent," Pines said in a statement. "The new law creates a third class of citizens who may not vote — people who do not have ID."
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Meade » Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:36 pm

Frivolous and ridiculous.

Here's a fourth class of citizens created by previous Wisconsin legislatures:

People who refuse to sign their names when they show up at the polls.

And here's another: people who don't show up at the polls at all.

More: people who don't bother to register to vote.

And: people who don't follow the directions about how to mark their ballots.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby snoqueen » Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:47 pm

For those who like legal stuff, here's a link to a blog discussing possible legal challenges to the Wisconsin voter ID law. This author is not optimistic:

http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/20 ... w/#respond

I'm not a lawyer, but given what I've seen of the current state supreme court, I'm not optimistic either. Lester Pines is no fool, though. It'll be interesting to follow.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby rabble » Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:22 pm

Excellent points. They all boil down to one, though.

When the courts are owned by the ones who made the laws, challenges to those laws don't usually fare well.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby DCB » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:12 am

wack wack wrote:How does the GOP continue to crow about local and state control with a straight face, while keeping its mouth fully locked onto the ALEC teat?

Hypocrisy isn't just a side effect, its SOP for today's right-wingers. Consider Maine's upcoming referendum on same-day voting:

daily kos wrote:real out-of-staters are accusing non-existent out-of-staters of trying to get rid of a law that doesn’t exist. As Portland Press Herald columnist Bill Nemitz writes: "Seriously, fellow Mainers, you can’t make this stuff up. Except someone from away, whoever they are, just did."


http://www.pressherald.com/news/stand-u ... 11-06.html
Then they claimed same-day registration has spawned rampant voter fraud by all those college kids and others intent on undermining our democracy.

Another lie.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:53 pm

The Government Accountability Board reversed itself and will now recognize tech college student IDs for voting.

State election officials decided Wednesday that technical college IDs can be used for voting, overturning a ruling two months earlier.

Following more than two hours of testimony by school officials and at least a dozen students, the Government Accountability Board changed direction on the controversial law, saying technical college IDs are as legitimate as university IDs.

"I think we were wrong," said Thomas Cane, a board member from Wausau. "That's not something you hear often from a judge."
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby buckyor » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:10 am

DCB wrote:
wack wack wrote:How does the GOP continue to crow about local and state control with a straight face, while keeping its mouth fully locked onto the ALEC teat?

Hypocrisy isn't just a side effect, its SOP for today's right-wingers. Consider Maine's upcoming referendum on same-day voting:

daily kos wrote:real out-of-staters are accusing non-existent out-of-staters of trying to get rid of a law that doesn’t exist. As Portland Press Herald columnist Bill Nemitz writes: "Seriously, fellow Mainers, you can’t make this stuff up. Except someone from away, whoever they are, just did."


http://www.pressherald.com/news/stand-u ... 11-06.html
Then they claimed same-day registration has spawned rampant voter fraud by all those college kids and others intent on undermining our democracy.

Another lie.

In Maine, the issue was registration on election day. The new GOP legislature passed a law requiring registration no later than two days prior to the election. Opponents of this new law gathered up enough signatures to put it on the ballot (the so-called "people's veto). Shortly before the election the GOP ran two lines of ads: one claiming that out of staters were trying to take away the right to vote, and the other that "the gays" were trying to influence the election.

Both lines of attack failed. Question 1 passed 60-40, and we can once again register on election day.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby snoqueen » Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:08 am

Wisconsin needs a people's veto law like that. Congratulations to Maine for their successful support of same day registration, and a sad little laugh at the GOP's pathetic suppression efforts.

Good news posted at 11:10 on 11/11/11, which is as close as we're going to get.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:22 am

Fighting Bob LaFollette wanted Wisconsin to have the recall, the referendum, the initiative and direct primaries. He got two of the four.
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby snoqueen » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:17 pm

You can decide if this is authentic or not, but it looks like conservative groups are planning to collect signatures fraudulently and then destroy them.

Which, it seems, is a class I felony.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/11/con ... -wisconsin
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Re: Today in voter suppression

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:48 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:The Government Accountability Board reversed itself and will now recognize tech college student IDs for voting.

State election officials decided Wednesday that technical college IDs can be used for voting, overturning a ruling two months earlier.

Following more than two hours of testimony by school officials and at least a dozen students, the Government Accountability Board changed direction on the controversial law, saying technical college IDs are as legitimate as university IDs.

"I think we were wrong," said Thomas Cane, a board member from Wausau. "That's not something you hear often from a judge."

Or maybe not:
Technical college students might not be able to use their schools' identification cards for voting after a legislative committee ordered election officials Tuesday to submit formal rules on ID cards.

The Government Accountability Board, which runs state elections, determined in September that technical college IDs could not be used under the state's new voter ID law, but reversed itself this month and said they could be. But on Tuesday, Republicans who control the Legislature's Joint Committee for the Review of Administrative Rules raised concerns about allowing those IDs and ordered the accountability board to write administrative rules on its policy.

The committee's vote was 6-4, along party lines.
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