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Free "upgrade" from paper ballots to touch screen

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Re: Free "upgrade" from paper ballots to touch screen

Postby rabble » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:31 pm

I think we can all agree that no voting system is one hundred percent unriggable.

Given that, which one would you say is hardest to fuck with, including the recount?

My vote is optical. Easy to use, a little harder to hack, paper records.

Touch screen without any paper trail at all is the absolute worst.
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Re: Free "upgrade" from paper ballots to touch screen

Postby snoqueen » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:01 pm

Touch screen with no paper backup is pretty much a joke.

There are so many ways to monkey with that system it's not even funny. Every time another town buys a touch screen system, Karl Rove cackles and rubs his hands together.

I think the optical scan paper ballot system is halfway decent, though as we saw in the supreme court recount it looks too easy to add or remove paper ballots from the bags. I know there's supposed to be a count of all printed ballots at the end (including unused ones) but again, anything can be fudged.

How do people feel about electronic or mail-in ballots like they have in the state of Oregon (and maybe others?)?
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Re: Free "upgrade" from paper ballots to touch screen

Postby David Marshall » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:59 pm

I really appreciate JHAINs warning on this. Whether Wisconsin citizens get that point is another matter. I worry that historically clean elections in this state may have gone the way of the Dodo.
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Re: Free "upgrade" from paper ballots to touch screen

Postby jhain » Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:08 pm

A few more thoughts on op-scan machines...

In Wisconsin, if there is a recount, the original machine must be used and the ballots are not allowed to be hand counted to confirm the machine. If the machine counts the ballots the same each time it is considered accurate. So, if the proprietary code (which we and our election officials are not allowed to see) has been hacked to switch every 10th D to an R it will do so both times and will result in a verified correct re-count.

Here's some info on recent problems in Michigan with op-scan machines:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9487

We've effectively privatized our elections and given up any effective oversite. Why anyone believes "just trust us" when it comes to the most important aspect of having a democracy is beyond me... Especially with all the evidence that elections are stolen on a regular basis.
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