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Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:22 pm

With comprehensive sex education not only is contraceptives taught, but abstinence as a fool proof method is also included in the curriculum. The new law allows school districts to skip the part about birth control.
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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby Aubrey McFate » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:52 am

Henry Vilas wrote:With comprehensive sex education not only is contraceptives taught, but abstinence as a fool proof method is also included in the curriculum. The new law allows school districts to skip the part about birth control.

I have italicized the key word. If any of you have problems beyond that, take it up with your school board members. The ball is in their court.
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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby bleurose » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:01 pm

Good lord - why on god's green earth does Aubrey think it is OK to legislate that abstinence must be taught as the primary point in sex ed in schools? How does it make it legitimate that you have "highlighted" a supposedly significant word? Are you so afraid of what your little darlings might learn in school that you have to micromanage your local school board, let alone the curriculum?

This is why we hire TEACHERS - to teach a subject. If we were all so damn skilled at teaching, why aren't we doing it? This is a prime example to illustrate why the next generation coming up is so ill-educated and also why they sadly end up stupid - they can't recognize a fact when it bites them in the ass because they "don't believe that", they weren't allowed to be exposed to real facts during what passed for their schooling.

We are screwed, pun intended.
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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby Aubrey McFate » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:55 pm

I don't think micromanagement means what you think it means, if you think Act 216 is more micromanage-y than the law it revised. Schools are still perfectly free to teach students about contraception if they choose to do so. I find it hard to picture anyone in this forum not giving their school board members an earful if it appears the sex ed curriculum will no longer include contraception.

On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that people are getting so bent out of shape that the law now reads in part, "Instruction under this subdivision shall stress the value of abstinence as the only reliable way to prevent pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections...." as opposed to "Instruction under this subdivision shall stress the value of abstinence as the most reliable way to prevent pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections....", which is what it used to say.

If you're afraid your school boards are going to turn back the clock to the Middle Ages, quit whining and do something about it.
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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby dave esmond » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:06 pm

Aubrey McFate wrote:On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that people are getting so bent out of shape that the law now reads in part, "Instruction under this subdivision shall stress the value of abstinence as the only reliable way to prevent pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections...." as opposed to "Instruction under this subdivision shall stress the value of abstinence as the most reliable way to prevent pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections....", which is what it used to say.


And on the other other hand I find it hard to believe legislators were so bent out of shape about what it used to say that they felt the need to take up time they should have been using to bring more jobs to Wisconsin to change one word. If it's not worth getting bent out of shape about it wasn't worth changing.
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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby dave esmond » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:37 pm

Aubrey McFate wrote:On the other hand, unless you're the Virgin Mary, abstinence has a 0% failure rate.


Ha.

Unless you don't stop. Then the chances of getting pregnant or an STI is much higher then any other method.

The failure rate for abstinence has always been pretty high. People like sex.

It's pretty easy for most people to have abstinence fail.
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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby Detritus » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:05 pm

If abstinence were 100% effective then God would not have invented abortion.
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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby DCB » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:37 am

Detritus wrote:If abstinence were 100% effective then God would not have invented abortion.

Abstinence as a practice is 100% effective. But there is no evidence that teaching abstinence leads to any significant changes in behavior.
No conclusions could be drawn on the effectiveness of group-based abstinence education.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22341164

Mandating abstinence-only education, on the assumption that it will lead to less sex, is just delusional.
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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:08 am

We know from the large historical sample of The Catholic Church that abstinence as a policy often fails among adults.
Why anyone would think children would be better at it is a mystery to me.
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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby kurt_w » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:34 am

Abstinence, like communism formerly and conservatism today, can never fail; it can only be failed. It's the True Scotsman of birth control methods.
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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby Stebben84 » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:27 pm

Aubrey McFate wrote:I don't think micromanagement means what you think it means, if you think Act 216 is more micromanage-y than the law it revised.


It's just micromanages in a much religiously friendly manner.
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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby kurt_w » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:54 pm

kurt_w wrote:Abstinence, like communism formerly and conservatism today, can never fail; it can only be failed. It's the True Scotsman of birth control methods.


Come to think of it, there's a fair bit in common among religion, mid-20th century communism, and early-21st century conservatism.
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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby Detritus » Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:03 pm

kurt_w wrote:Come to think of it, there's a fair bit in common among religion, mid-20th century communism, and early-21st century conservatism.

Agreed. This, for example.
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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby kurt_w » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:11 pm

Detritus wrote:
kurt_w wrote:Come to think of it, there's a fair bit in common among religion, mid-20th century communism, and early-21st century conservatism.

Agreed. This, for example.

Great example. I'd generalize that to a preference for ideological explanations of reality instead of empirical ones.
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Re: Assembly passes abortion, sex ed. bills

Postby bleurose » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:18 am

It is just one more way for the Republicans to expand government but only in ways that THEY approve of. And it is no secret that they will do anything to interfere with the private reproductive lives of women and to fail in educating children about normal biology. This situation is a win-win in their eyes because they continue to cut and cut education budgets while mandating crap like this and then bemoan the "poor job" that public schools are doing educating kids so in that twisted fantasy, of course that means that now public $$ should go to private charter schools to "fix the mess" that THEY made.

And they will do all this while, as another poster aptly pointed out, the state is circling the toilet bowl as far as real issues and problems go.
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