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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby Huckleby » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:15 am

wack wack wrote: "A barbecue" can be an event; "barbecue" as a cooking style does not include throwing brats on a grill.


yes, I think there was no actual confusion, but some mother fuckers decided to show-off their culinary sophistication.

Speaking of mother fuckers, where does New Orleans Takeout come-off calling it "Deb's Barbecued Shrimp"? New Orleans is south of central Illinois, they ought to know mo better.
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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby wack wack » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:29 am

Huckleby wrote:
wack wack wrote: "A barbecue" can be an event; "barbecue" as a cooking style does not include throwing brats on a grill.


yes, I think there was no actual confusion, but some mother fuckers decided to show-off their culinary sophistication.

Speaking of mother fuckers, where does New Orleans Takeout come-off calling it "Deb's Barbecued Shrimp"? New Orleans is south of central Illinois, they ought to know mo better.


is Deb's Barbecued Shrimp actually not barbecued?
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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby lukpac » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:33 am

Huckleby wrote:Just not true. If you google "barbecue definition" you'll see that all the dictionaries define barbecue as a cookout, and it is usually the primary definition.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... 1339597929

2: a social gathering especially in the open air at which barbecued food is eaten


No barbecue? No barbecue.
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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby lukpac » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:35 am

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/barbecue

2. an outdoor party or picnic at which barbecued food is served
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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby Ducatista » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:46 am

The perfect detour for a thread titled "Oh for pete's sake."
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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby Huckleby » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:53 am

First definition out of the shoot from google (wikipedia, I guess):
A meal or gathering at which meat, fish, or other food is cooked out of doors on a rack over an open fire or on a portable grill.

You accidently failed to mention from freedectionary.com:
To roast, broil, or grill (meat or seafood) over live coals or an open fire, often basting with a seasoned sauce.

dictionary.com
a meal, usually in the open air and often as a political or social gathering, at which meats are roasted over an open hearth or pit.


take that, mother fucker
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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby Huckleby » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:56 am

wack wack wrote:is Deb's Barbecued Shrimp actually not barbecued?


I eat that dish at least once a month. I can't imagine in what sense those shrimp would have been bbq'd. Shrimp get cooked for about 2 minutes or they get tough, no matter how you do um.
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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby Huckleby » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:01 am

http://www.mrbsbistro.com/recipes_shrimp.php

New Orleans Barbequed Shrimp

Don’t break out your grill for this dish. Here in New Orleans, barbecued shrimp means sautéed shrimp in Worcestershire-spiked butter sauce.
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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby lukpac » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:06 am

Huckleby wrote:take that, mother fucker


Yawn.

http://shine.yahoo.com/southern-food/bb ... 95209.html

What exactly is the difference between barbecue and grilling? Some people think barbecue is a sauce, or anything that comes off the grill, but technically, barbecue is a method of cooking just like grilling is. The only difference is the length of time and the amount of heat.

Barbecue
Long, low, and slow. The low temperature and the resulting length of time the meat is cooked allows for the food to soak up the smoke and rub flavors, and to become very tender and moist. Think ribs, pork shoulder, and brisket as barbecue.

Grilling
This is the method with which most people are familiar. It is the method of cooking food hot and fast on your grill. Burgers, chicken, steak, and seafood are typically grilled, but you can also grill vegetables and even fruit.

Barbecue v. Cookout
When a Southerners says "Y'all come on over for a BBQ!" it means you're going to be chowing down on juice ribs, pulled pork sandwiches, and the traditional sides of coleslaw, banana pudding, and tea (the sweet version, of course). Northerners tend to use the "BBQ" term for what Southerners usually consider a cookout-hot dogs and burgers.


http://www.thecandiedgrill.com/2010/01/ ... ifference/

The simplest explanation is that barbecue is low and slow, while grilling is hot and fast. Additionally, barbecue relies on indirect heat, while grilling typically puts the food directly over the coals. The term “smoking” is also commonly used when referring to barbecue.

Some, especially those on the competition barbecue circuit, are quite passionate about evangelizing this distinction. You might be too, if you spent upwards of 12 hours or more to create a masterpiece only to be categorized with an average backyard joe who spent 45 minutes with a gas grill.

While many still use the words interchangeably, more and more of us are respecting the difference. It makes things clearer for all of us.


http://www.bbqsmokehousecatering.com/bb ... ing_vs_bbq

In California the terms “grill” and “barbecue” are used interchangeably. This is incorrect and nutsmaking to barbecue aficionados. The confusion is compounded when the same piece of equipment is used at home for grilling and barbecue. The two cooking methods are radically different.


Just because irregardless is a word doesn't mean you should use it.
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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:13 am

If I wasn't already going out for (actual) BBQ on lunch, I'd be pissed that yall made me this hungry.
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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby Huckleby » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:23 am


? There is no disagreement that BBQ can have a specific culinary definition.

BBQ has another definition, as we've now seen in every dictionary. Those dictionaries are not wrong. Language is defined primarily by useage, not by word origins. There is nothing incorrect about the (very common) use of BBQ to refer to an outdoor cookout. There is nothing wrong or incorrect with "Deb's BBQ's Shrimp."
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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby Huckleby » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:30 am

In California the terms “grill” and “barbecue” are used interchangeably. This is incorrect and nutsmaking to barbecue aficionados.
In their little world it is incorrect. The greater world disagrees. Let them stew in their own juices!

Just because irregardless is a word doesn't mean you should use it.
"Irregardless" should not be used because it is awkward and illogical.
But if it falls into common use, well, tough. Plenty of words are awkward and illogical.

Is it your position that language definitions can be frozen in time?
There is no sacred, enduring bible of word meaning. The rules always lose to useage in the long run.
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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby lukpac » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:34 am

Huckleby wrote:Language is defined primarily by useage, not by word origins. There is nothing incorrect about the (very common) use of BBQ to refer to an outdoor cookout.


In the sense of "a lot of people do it, so that makes it ok", you are correct. Language is what people make it.

I'd argue that's a lazy take on things, however.
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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby Huckleby » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:37 am

lukpac wrote: In the sense of "a lot of people do it, so that makes it ok", you are correct. Language is what people make it.

I'd argue that's a lazy take on things, however.

It's colorful, not lazy.

"Deb's BBQ'd Shrimp" sounds appealling, even if at some point in time it was technically incorrect.

A party would never have become a "blast" if some word czar decreed that no actual explosion occured at the affair, and therefore declared a language violation.
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Re: Oh for pete's sake

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:17 am

Food fight!
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