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No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby Azog » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:24 pm

What's up with the mayor?

I drive a cab. This sucks:
Madison's mayor has upped the stakes against cab drivers caught cruising down State Street without a fare, and taxi operators said they aren't happy about it.

Madison police will begin enforcing the cruising ban Monday night, Mayor Paul Soglin said. City ordinance prohibits driving along State Street unless the taxi is there to pick up a specific fare.

"The ordinances say no cruising," Soglin said after meeting with representatives from three Madison cab operators. "Us ordinary mortals -- Madison citizens -- are not allowed to (cruise)."

Soglin said he would allow three city committees to look at changes to the ordinance, opening up the debate to public comment.

I actually agree about the day time hours when all the bicycles and skateboarders are on the street. We're trying to get Soggy to see reason about bar time hours. I think every cab driver is a little shocked that once starting this Mayor Soglin refuses to even listen about the late night hours when there are no buses and few pedestrians and all the crowd is bar crowd. Even regular bar time is self explanatory. Patrons need us. But its the other times like Mifflin Street block party, Halloween, and Badger games that his obstinance goes against all logic. Cabbing is a hard job. At most times of the day its so slow you can hardly make a living. This means when there are thousands of extra people even all four companies together barely have enough vehicles to disburse all the crowd. We can't work a Badger game just picking up the people who call a cab, there are just way too many. Its not just a matter of our income, which usually stinks, its about a responsibility to the people relying on you to get home or to their hotel. If they all had to call people would be waiting until five in the morning to get home. Not only that but we have enough calls on top of flags that our dispatchers can't assign them all. If everyone had to call they would have three times as many calls on the board. That's pretty much impossible. Soglin seems to want to make the downtown beautiful at the expense of peoples access to it, I think he's being totally unrealistic.

I voted for him hoping he would bring back some of the spirit of the town that I didn't recognize after Mayor Dave's tenure. Instead, after hearing about him yelling at three different cab drivers on State Street he's just starting to sound like a crazy old man. He's allowing these committees but he's already started enforcing the new rules as if they would pass and in spite of clear reasons to reconsider the rules during the late hours, which means he's not really listening to anyone. He's made up his mind, is acting reactionary, and is not listening to anyone! That's not what I expect out of a mayor at all :(
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Re: No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby Meade » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:45 pm

Soglin said he's now committed to allowing State Street stakeholders, such as pedestrians, bikers, property owners and the cab companies to weigh in at committee hearings.

What's the problem?
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Re: No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby Earthling » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:51 pm

Perhaps I'm a bit unaware of the problem as it relates to this, but is there really anything wrong with allowing cabs to travel on state street? Who cares if they are "cruising" looking for fares?
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Re: No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:00 pm

For what it's worth, Soglin drove cab during his student days.
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Re: No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby Azog » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:19 pm

I don't think the big fish much remembers the little pond. I have liked a lot of the things he's done this term, some of the things I don't like. Mifflin Street was a joke, I had trouble telling if it was a party for the citizens or a party for the three million police. Don't get me wrong they were friendly but he pretty much ruined the whole day. Its like once he's made up his mind, you're fucked. Its true he agreed to have these committees but he has dug in. He's not receptive at all to the other side, he pretty much wont respond to anything. He won't listen about the difference at bar time and Badger games, and he won't respond. He thinks that just because its slow right now that it will work in the fall. There is no way its going to work with ten thousand new people down town at a game. All it will be is a bunch of drunk people getting in fist fights about who gets a ride home.
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Re: No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby Meade » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:26 pm

You're saying cab drivers are inconvenienced by this new regulation?
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Re: No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby Azog » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:40 pm

And the public, at night, definitely. But inconvenienced is not the right word. Customers are completely disadvantaged by it. Six cab stands is not enogh and the volume of calls it would take on a big game day would be too much for our phone systems. Our trade has already been severely hurt by Logisticare last year, this rule makes even our best days less good which is important. Despite all that its a sense of responsibility to the people in the community who depend on us that makes this sting. With all the violence downtown lately its a horrible idea to make it harder for large crowds to disburse late at night.
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Re: No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby Earthling » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:44 pm

Let me re-phrase:

What negatives are associated with allowing cabs on State St.?
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Re: No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby Azog » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:53 pm

A big drop in business day and night means more drivers settle where the most business is which is down town. The big increase in bicycle and pedestrian traffic not to mention all the new no turn on red signs makes too much traffic for the pedestrian mall in the day time, so new things make more traffic so that is too much.

At night this is not a problem because the buses arent running and there's very little through traffic. Its the lifeblood of our trade and people really need us there especially if something big is going on.
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Re: No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby Earthling » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:55 pm

Azog wrote:A big drop in business day and night means more drivers settle where the most business is which is down town. The big increase in bicycle and pedestrian traffic not to mention all the new no turn on red signs makes too much traffic for the pedestrian mall in the day time, so new things make more traffic so that is too much.

At night this is not a problem because the buses arent running and there's very little through traffic. Its the lifeblood of our trade and people really need us there especially if something big is going on.


So perhaps an after 10 p.m. type situation might be a good compromise?
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Re: No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby Azog » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:04 pm

Earthling wrote:
Azog wrote:A big drop in business day and night means more drivers settle where the most business is which is down town. The big increase in bicycle and pedestrian traffic not to mention all the new no turn on red signs makes too much traffic for the pedestrian mall in the day time, so new things make more traffic so that is too much.

At night this is not a problem because the buses arent running and there's very little through traffic. Its the lifeblood of our trade and people really need us there especially if something big is going on.


So perhaps an after 10 p.m. type situation might be a good compromise?


Yes or even 12:30 am, but he has refused to respond that there is any difference between midnight and rush hour. Basically he is saying never at no time and not even going to talk about or listen to the huge difference no matter what it means to our trade or to the public.
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Re: No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby Meade » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:17 pm

What are you talking about? He said he is committed to allowing State Street stakeholders, such as pedestrians, bikers, property owners and the cab companies to weigh in at committee hearings.

So weigh in, cab driver.
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Re: No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby Earthling » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:16 pm

My advice to you would be to convey a message not including that it is more profitable for you. Those opposed to allowing cabs to drive on State St. wouldn't be overly likely to care a whole lot about your pocketbook. Stick to the safety/public demand argument.
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Re: No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby scratch » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:37 pm

Earthling wrote:My advice to you would be to convey a message not including that it is more profitable for you. Those opposed to allowing cabs to drive on State St. wouldn't be overly likely to care a whole lot about your pocketbook. Stick to the safety/public demand argument.


Socialist.
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Re: No cabs on State Street: kind of a dick move

Postby gargantua » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:56 pm

Earthling wrote:My advice to you would be to convey a message not including that it is more profitable for you. Those opposed to allowing cabs to drive on State St. wouldn't be overly likely to care a whole lot about your pocketbook. Stick to the safety/public demand argument.


I agree, to a point. You should acknowledge that you have an economic stake in this, or risk being seen as disingenuous. It should not be your primary focus.

I think that what the mayor has in fact done is stake out a negotiating position. So make your case. I suspect that he will back off where it can be shown that there is a demonstrable public safety risk.

He's about getting things done that he thinks are good for the city, and is at a point in his life where he doesn't much care if it's popular. So he's willing to be the bad guy....but he's not crazy.
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