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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby HawkHead » Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:47 pm

Earthling wrote:So where is your link again? Should be pretty obvious that Act 10 has lead to savings for counties/cities across the state including Dane County.


http://greenfield.patch.com/articles/rep-stone-happy-to-hear-about-1-billion-savings-from-act-10-65227523


I am glad that Portage saved so much money that they are proposing to close two schools and possibly a third to balance their budget.
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Re: Act 10 overturnquote="HawkHead"][quote="Earthling"]ed

Postby HawkHead » Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:49 pm

Earthling wrote:I would really question that statement. Especially considering the number of government entities unique to Dane County that are state funded. Regardless doing this is a waste of money, regardless of who you all feel is entitled to it. The savings are available. Why not take advantage?


If the savings are so easy to see why don't you propose the savings and specifically what department and program they are coming from.

There will be a part two to the question after you have answered.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby jman111 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:02 pm

Earthling wrote:The savings are available. Why not take advantage?

You could save money by not eating. Does that make it a good idea?

Is "saving money" the end-all, or could life possibly be more complicated than that?
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:02 pm

Earthling, if you are worried the state doesn't have enough money to pay its bills, consider this: Walker gave away a billion dollars in special tax breaks to corporations, supposedly so they could create more jobs. Where are those jobs?
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Earthling » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:14 pm

lukpac wrote:
Earthling wrote:
Which taxpayers? Why can't they afford it?


You don't think we pay enough taxes in Dane County as it is?


You claimed that taxpayers can't afford "more high priced government expendetures". Are you sticking by that, or is it that you simply don't like paying taxes?


Neither. I'm claiming that not enabling municipalities to shop for the most cost effective packages available to them is wasteful spending. Allowing government employees, who are paid by taxpayers, to be able to bargain for their benefits is bs.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby fennel » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:23 pm

[quote="Earthling"Allowing government employees, who are paid by taxpayers, to be able to bargain for their benefits is bs.[/quote]
That's an utterly bizarre statement. Benefits are part of the compensation.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Earthling » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:24 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Earthling, if you are worried the state doesn't have enough money to pay its bills, consider this: Walker gave away a billion dollars in special tax breaks to corporations, supposedly so they could create more jobs. Where are those jobs?


You planted grass seed yesterday, but you have no grass growing? Employment rate is a lagging indicator of the economy. Jobs aren't created overnight. Companies must be confident enough to invest in growth, which is a result of a strengthening market. These jobs will come, but don't expect it overnight.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Earthling » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:24 pm

fennel wrote:[quote="Earthling"Allowing government employees, who are paid by taxpayers, to be able to bargain for their benefits is bs.

That's an utterly bizarre statement. Benefits are part of the compensation.[/quote]

They shouldn't be able to bargain for their compensation either.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Earthling » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:26 pm

jman111 wrote:
Earthling wrote:The savings are available. Why not take advantage?

You could save money by not eating. Does that make it a good idea?

Is "saving money" the end-all, or could life possibly be more complicated than that?


No one is talking about starving to death. Apples to apples we are talking about eating a sirloin vs. filet mignon.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby fennel » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:27 pm

Should they be allowed to breathe? Or would that inconvenience your world view?
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Stebben84 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:31 pm

Earthling wrote:So where is your link again? Should be pretty obvious that Act 10 has lead to savings for counties/cities across the state including Dane County.


http://greenfield.patch.com/articles/rep-stone-happy-to-hear-about-1-billion-savings-from-act-10-65227523


Everyone is touting this "1 billion dollar" figure. Every time I look into that it links to a governors press release with no statistical data or right wing hack groups.

HawkHead wrote:
Earthling wrote:So where is your link again? Should be pretty obvious that Act 10 has lead to savings for counties/cities across the state including Dane County.


http://greenfield.patch.com/articles/rep-stone-happy-to-hear-about-1-billion-savings-from-act-10-65227523


I am glad that Portage saved so much money that they are proposing to close two schools and possibly a third to balance their budget.


Funny how THAT never gets in the press release.

Earthling wrote:Jobs aren't created overnight. Companies must be confident enough to invest in growth, which is a result of a strengthening market. These jobs will come, but don't expect it overnight.


How come all of our neighboring states are doing much better with the same amount of time for job creation. Being an apologist doesn't give you much credit. Oooh, or maybe you can blame Obama.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Earthling » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:32 pm

fennel wrote:Should they be allowed to breathe? Or would that inconvenience your world view?


Listen to yourself. Yes all of the state employees are suffocating to death because they have to contribute a whole whopping 10% to their own retirement fund, and don't have the absolute best health insurance money can buy. Give me a break.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Earthling » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:39 pm

Everyone is touting this "1 billion dollar" figure. Every time I look into that it links to a governors press release with no statistical data or right wing hack groups.


Can we at least agree that, collectively speaking (entire state as a whole), there have been savings as a result of Act 10?

I am glad that Portage saved so much money that they are proposing to close two schools and possibly a third to balance their budget.


I'm not that familiar with the situation in portage. Perhaps there isn't enough population/economic resources available in the school district to justify thier existance? Either way I doubt that repealling Act 10 is going to remedy the situation to the extent that schools would somehow be able to remain open.

How come all of our neighboring states are doing much better with the same amount of time for job creation. Being an apologist doesn't give you much credit. Oooh, or maybe you can blame Obama.


Kind of like Illinois? Net job loss/gain isn't the ONLY factor one considers when attempting to determine the viability of a state's finances. I blame Obama for the fact that our national economy hasn't gotten any better. He himself asked us to before being elected to his first term, and is now asking that he get another 4 years.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby HawkHead » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:40 pm

Earthling wrote:
jman111 wrote:
Earthling wrote:The savings are available. Why not take advantage?

You could save money by not eating. Does that make it a good idea?

Is "saving money" the end-all, or could life possibly be more complicated than that?


No one is talking about starving to death. Apples to apples we are talking about eating a sirloin vs. filet mignon.


https://hrweb.madison.k12.wi.us/files/hr/cusalary11.pdf

Per this link a starting janitor made $16.10/hour in 2010. That is roughly $34,000 per year. I don't think you are eating a lot of filet mignon on that salary. With the additional cuts due to act 10 who knows for sure what they are bringing home.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:41 pm

Earthling wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:Earthling, if you are worried the state doesn't have enough money to pay its bills, consider this: Walker gave away a billion dollars in special tax breaks to corporations, supposedly so they could create more jobs. Where are those jobs?


You planted grass seed yesterday, but you have no grass growing? Employment rate is a lagging indicator of the economy. Jobs aren't created overnight. Companies must be confident enough to invest in growth, which is a result of a strengthening market. These jobs will come, but don't expect it overnight.

Yet every other state is doing better than Wisconsin.

And who paid for those tax breaks? They were offset by the Walker administration in cuts to state aid for public education. Then they blamed teacher unions for those shortfalls.
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