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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Henry Vilas » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:51 pm

First Dane County approved new contracts with its unions. The City of Madison might be next.

The city of Madison could save $2 million under a proposed contract with its largest union, a deal made possible after a court ruling this month put portions of the state’s collective bargaining law on hold.

An agreement with AFSCME Local 60, which represents about 1,100 workers, is set to go before the union and the City Council this week.

The deal, which would run from March 2014 to March 2015, would let the city reduce wages or health benefits by up to 3 percent. That amounts to about $2 million, Mayor Paul Soglin said Saturday.

The contract would prevent further cuts and preserve union rights the state law would take away, such as grievance arbitration, AFSCME Local 60 staff representative Jennifer McCulley said.

“What we got out of it was the security of having everything in place for one more year,” McCulley said.

Soglin said the agreement would let the city maintain service levels while extending the life of the union. “A strong union is a valuable asset in a public workplace,” he said.


Will the Madison Metropolitan School District soon follow?
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Earthling » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:05 pm

I'm sure MMSD will fall right in line. Why wouldn't you try to get yourself more money? The fact that anyone could claim with a straight face that Act 10 is unconstitutional is laughable. Nothing but a giant ploy. We already voted on this. You lost. Get over it.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Henry Vilas » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:27 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
The city of Madison could save $2 million under a proposed contract with its largest union, a deal made possible after a court ruling this month put portions of the state’s collective bargaining law on hold.
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The deal, which would run from March 2014 to March 2015, would let the city reduce wages or health benefits by up to 3 percent. That amounts to about $2 million, Mayor Paul Soglin said Saturday.


Earthling wrote:Why wouldn't you try to get yourself more money?

Huh?
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Detritus » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:32 pm

Earthling is right: anything the majority votes in favor of is automatically constitutional. Well-known fact. It's a mystery why we even keep the court system around, frankly.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Earthling » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:16 am

What about Act 10 is unconstituional?
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby fisticuffs » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:26 am

Colas ruled that the law violated workers' constitutional rights to free speech, free association and equal representation under the law by capping union workers' raises but not those of their nonunion counterparts. The judge also ruled that the law violated the "home rule" clause of the state constitution by setting the contribution for City of Milwaukee employees to the city pension system rather than leaving it to the city and workers.


We're on page 7 here Earthling. This is in the link in the very first post. The entire basis of this conversation and you still didn't know the answer to your stupid, stupid question. Try to follow along.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Earthling » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:54 am

fisticuffs wrote:
Colas ruled that the law violated workers' constitutional rights to free speech, free association and equal representation under the law by capping union workers' raises but not those of their nonunion counterparts. The judge also ruled that the law violated the "home rule" clause of the state constitution by setting the contribution for City of Milwaukee employees to the city pension system rather than leaving it to the city and workers.


We're on page 7 here Earthling. This is in the link in the very first post. The entire basis of this conversation and you still didn't know the answer to your stupid, stupid question. Try to follow along.


There isn't a single post that addresses specifics as to how ACT 10 is actually unconstituional. Lost of bs, but nothing that actually directly identifies specific language in the Act that is un-constitutional. You'd also think, that if there truly were parts of this that were un-constitutional it would come up long ago, and never would passed through the legislation as written.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby fisticuffs » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:03 am

You'd also think, that if there truly were parts of this that were un-constitutional it would come up long ago, and never would passed through the legislation as written.


You'd only think that if you were completely ignorant to how our legislative and judicial process works. So yeah, You'd think that.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Earthling » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:09 am

fisticuffs wrote:
You'd also think, that if there truly were parts of this that were un-constitutional it would come up long ago, and never would passed through the legislation as written.


You'd only think that if you were completely ignorant to how our legislative and judicial process works. So yeah, You'd think that.


Notice how you didn't actually answer the question? You didn't answer the question because you don't have an answer. I suppose if by "not knowing how the legislative and judicial process works" because I don't understand how Act 10 could be construde as unconstitutional I suppose you are correct. How about you enlighten me, vs. slamming me simply because I represent an opinion that differs from yours? Answer= because it's the ultra-liberal way. Concede absolutely nothing, attack the source of opposition vs. attacking the un-defensible issue at hand.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Stebben84 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:14 am

Earthling wrote: You'd also think, that if there truly were parts of this that were un-constitutional it would come up long ago, and never would passed through the legislation as written.


Because no legislation(national and local) has been passed that then wasn't deemed constitutional. :roll:

School House Rock: Three Ring Government- It's Our Political Circus!!

I'm thinking this is where we need to start with you.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:30 am

Stebben84 wrote:Because no legislation(national and local) has been passed that then wasn't deemed constitutional. :roll:

School House Rock: Three Ring Government- It's Our Political Circus!!

I'm thinking this is where we need to start with you.

I was going to refer him to Marbury v Madison, but yours is a better starting off point.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Phil_EngAmer » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:06 pm

Basically this has no chance of standing up and was a large overreach on the part of Judge Colas (http://bit.ly/Q25kiu). We have precedent after precedent of similar legislation being constitutional (http://bit.ly/pXbwCd) and for this Dane County Judge to argue otherwise is very suspect.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby jonnygothispen » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:22 am

I believe Judge Colas quoted Wisconsin State law for the second link, which says unions must be treated equally, Phil.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Stu Levitan » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:30 am

A presentation by WERC General Counsel Peter G. Davis on the effect of Judge Colas' decision should load from this link.
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Re: Act 10 overturned

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:55 am

Phil_EngAmer wrote:Basically this has no chance of standing up and was a large overreach on the part of Judge Colas (http://bit.ly/Q25kiu). We have precedent after precedent of similar legislation being constitutional (http://bit.ly/pXbwCd) and for this Dane County Judge to argue otherwise is very suspect.


You know what's fun. Outting partisan hack websites. Your first link is by a group called The Manhattan Institute:

The Manhattan Institute for Policy Research (renamed in 1981 from the International Center for Economic Policy Studies) is an American conservative,[1][2] market-oriented[3] think tank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_ ... y_Research

Gosh, I wonder why they would say it was an overreach. Nice try although.

Bwahahaha, and the second link has as its editor...wait for it...someone from the Manhattan institute and AEI to name a few. Funny they're from the same think tank but set up different website names. Now that's what I call some thoughtful research. Which conservative blog gave you those links Phil.
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