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What Deregulation Really Looks Like

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Re: What Deregulation Really Looks Like

Postby Donald » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:10 pm

ArturoBandini wrote:
Donald wrote:Yes, we want houses to burn down, and children to die needlessly, because you're a philosophical idiot.
Sigh. Really? Bastiat said it best. In that text, substitute "bureaucrats" for "socialists" and you have the case against mandated building codes.

I'm not interested in this guy. He has no technical knowledge regarding how to build houses so that children don't die. If you actually insist on placing your child in a death trap, we need another set of bureaucrats to take your child away from you. You are an unfit parent.
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Re: What Deregulation Really Looks Like

Postby ArturoBandini » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:45 pm

fennel wrote:When it comes to your body, are you in favor of regulated cell growth or unregulated cell growth?

And is regulated cell growth philosophically justifiable? Or is it an unwarranted imposition that impedes market forces?
Market forces can have a regulatory effect. Example: What "regulates" me from obtaining and burning all the coal in the world, just to spite environmentalists? There may be some government regulation somewhere, but market forces, namely the price of coal and the economic cost to extract it using available technologies, are what really regulate my coal consumption.

The biology/cancer analogy isn't a very good one. Keep thinking on that one.

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Re: What Deregulation Really Looks Like

Postby ArturoBandini » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:50 pm

Detritus wrote:Ah yes, Bastiat the monarchist, now become a libertarian hero. Amazing where one can go sometimes, isn't it?
Monarchy and liberty are not mutually exclusive concepts, although they may not correlate in historical examples. Same goes for democracy or most other political systems.
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Re: What Deregulation Really Looks Like

Postby ArturoBandini » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:59 pm

Donald wrote:I'm not interested in this guy. He has no technical knowledge regarding how to build houses so that children don't die.
I was giving some philosophical background for my resistance to building codes and similar laws. It has nothing to do with safety technologies and everything to do with the proper role of government in relation to society. I have zero objections to the installation of tamper-proof outlets or other circuit safety products.
Donald wrote:If you actually insist on placing your child in a death trap, ...
If you really think that I insist on placing my or any child in a "death trap", then don't think you read or understood the Bastiat passage titled "A Confusion of Terms".
Donald wrote:...we need another set of bureaucrats to take your child away from you. You are an unfit parent.
These bureaucrats probably already exist, and I strongly disagree that we need them.
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Re: What Deregulation Really Looks Like

Postby Detritus » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:28 pm

ArturoBandini wrote:
Detritus wrote:Ah yes, Bastiat the monarchist, now become a libertarian hero. Amazing where one can go sometimes, isn't it?
Monarchy and liberty are not mutually exclusive concepts, although they may not correlate in historical examples. Same goes for democracy or most other political systems.

In Bastiat's specific case, yes, monarchy and liberty were mutually exclusive in concept and execution. A libertarian quoting Bastiat with approval is like a Catholic quoting Ayn Rand with approval.
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Re: What Deregulation Really Looks Like

Postby ArturoBandini » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:46 am

Detritus wrote:A libertarian quoting Bastiat with approval is like a Catholic quoting Ayn Rand with approval.
That is fallacious thinking (well, assuming that your statement implies that a Catholic who quotes Ayn Rand has broken the rules of logic or reason). If I accept one or some of Bastiat's arguments, does this mean that I must accept them all? Or must I accept them in exchange for the privilege of quoting him?

There is nothing inherently wrong or odd with a theist quoting an atheist, or vice versa, especially on issues unrelated to religion.
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Re: What Deregulation Really Looks Like

Postby Detritus » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:13 am

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Re: What Deregulation Really Looks Like

Postby kurt_w » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:19 am



Thanks for posting that. It's great.
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Re: What Deregulation Really Looks Like

Postby city2countrygal » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:23 pm

kurt_w wrote:Thanks for posting that.

I second Kurt_W! And I'll add a few Rs: It's grrreat!

I love Paul Krugman as well!
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