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Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby rabble » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:04 pm

Meade wrote:Am I missing something?

It would take a long post to fully answer that question but I think the relevant part here is that some of us only want to enforce the parts of the constitution, and their interpretations, that we like.
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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby jjoyce » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:35 pm

I learned a new term from that FB page: tacticool. That yielded this website, which is fun:

http://www.tacti-cool.com/

I also found a short article on Field & Stream, which was interesting as well. The writer seems to be complaining about the new gun market.

Hunters and shooters like my Dad who grew up on farms or in small towns are diminishing in number and purchasing power. What's left are their children who play video games alot, hunt maybe a little, drop what they do kill off at the local processor, then head back to their cookie cutter subdivision.
What they do like, however, is to buy an AR-15 (and a complete set of tacti-cool gear)and live out their societal collapse or doomsday fantasies at the range. AR's and tactical stuff sell, and sell well to these types.


They talk about this stuff pretty casually, like people you know who are described as getting into golf, cooking, woodworking, rock climbing, biking or whatever because of the gear. Tacticool gear is for people who don't just own guns to hunt or for protection; it's a cultural thing for them. My son plays baseball and he and I really enjoy shopping for bats, comparing them to each other, not just the specifications, but the colors and designs. We like studying up on the new regulations and going to stores with batting cages that allow you to try bats out. When we see other families before and after baseball practice or games, it's not uncommon to compare bats.

These folks are like that with guns. I don't know anyone like that, so even a short glimpse at the scene is fascinating.
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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby fisticuffs » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:38 pm

These folks are like that with guns.


They're toys for scared white men not tools for self defense. My hobby doesn't leave piles of dead children when things go wrong yet it's more regulated than this.
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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby Meade » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:10 pm

TheBookPolice wrote:The 2nd Amendment -- like all amendments -- is 100% about the government telling people what they can and can't do.

Thank you but you have that exactly backwards, TheBookPolice. Check your high school Civics textbook. The amendments in the Bill of Rights are all about protecting the people from the power of the government. I know that concept can be a little difficult for Liberals and Progressives to grasp, seeing as how they begin with a fundamental utopian assumption in government we trust. But government - even a democracy - can become corrupt, coercive, authoritarian, and tyrannical. So if you look at the text of, say, the 2nd amendment, you'll see that it is addressing the government, not the people. The people's right shall not be infringed. Infringed by the people? No, of course not. The right shall not be infringed by the government. Take a closer look at the entire "Bill of Rights" and I think you will see that the first ten amendments to the constitution are completely about restricting government from infringing the people's rights.
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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby TheBookPolice » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:28 pm

Meade wrote:
TheBookPolice wrote:The 2nd Amendment -- like all amendments -- is 100% about the government telling people what they can and can't do.

Thank you but you have that exactly backwards, TheBookPolice. Check your high school Civics textbook. The amendments in the Bill of Rights are all about protecting the people from the power of the government. I know that concept can be a little difficult for Liberals and Progressives to grasp, seeing as how they begin with a fundamental utopian assumption in government we trust. But government - even a democracy - can become corrupt, coercive, authoritarian, and tyrannical. So if you look at the text of, say, the 2nd amendment, you'll see that it is addressing the government, not the people. The people's right shall not be infringed. Infringed by the people? No, of course not. The right shall not be infringed by the government. Take a closer look at the entire "Bill of Rights" and I think you will see that the first ten amendments to the constitution are completely about restricting government from infringing the people's rights.

Abraham Lincoln described the government of the United States as being "of the people, for the people, and by the people." Sounds to me like we're all in this together. You on the other hand seem to treat the government as a panther stalking the outskirts of your jungle village, waiting for the opportunity to snatch a wandering child unawares.

Tell me: who makes up the government you fear so much?
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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby Meade » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:44 pm

That's just it, Police -- I don't fear the government at all. Thanks to the constitution. And thanks, in particular, to the first ten amendments.

Now take a closer look at the text of the Lincoln speech you alluded to. Notice: he does not put the article, "the" before "government" and yet he uses it each of the three times he repeats "people".

Let that sink in for a minute.
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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby jjoyce » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:00 pm

Not to interrupt the Bill of Rights lesson here, but this thread is about pro-gun rights people coming, armed, to the Capitol this coming Saturday and expecting liberal college professors to try and touch their pistols. And tacti-cool gear.

And it's also about a woman who says she'll be in attendance and has posted this on her Facebook wall (it reads, "lets deport the socialists that have taken over the black house" and has a photoshopped image of soldiers attacking the White House), which she absolutely has the First Amendment right to do, just like we have the First Amendment right to ridicule her for it.

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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:20 pm

Sounds like a Star Trek convention where all the phasers are set to kill.
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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby snoqueen » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:50 pm

Meade has discovered a new identity, now that Dman has stepped away from his desk.
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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby rabble » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:26 pm

Meade wrote:Now take a closer look at the text of the Lincoln speech you alluded to. Notice: he does not put the article, "the" before "government" and yet he uses it each of the three times he repeats "people".

Let that sink in for a minute.

What does "petulant" mean?
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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:27 pm

Looks like the Facebook post Jason linked to has been deleted. I went through some other ones and there appears to be some infighting with the patriots.

Oh, and someone mentioned the "smelly hippies" in Madison. Ha, and those folks say THEY don't wan't to be stereotyped.
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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby Meade » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:40 pm

Stebben84 wrote:Ha, and those folks say THEY don't wan't to be stereotyped.

They do?
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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:43 pm

Meade wrote:
Stebben84 wrote:Ha, and those folks say THEY don't wan't to be stereotyped.

They do?


Yup, I read through many of the comments on the page and that was a recurring theme.
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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby Meade » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:21 pm

TheBookPolice wrote:Tell me: who makes up the government you fear so much?

Who do you think makes up the government that people who do fear the government fear so much?
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Re: Saturday's gun rally at the Capitol

Postby Ned Flanders » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:42 pm

Wait. Aren't these people exercising their rights in their house of goverment? Isn't that the most beautiful thing in the world? Were are the doctors standing by to write phony excuse notes? Where's MSNBC? Where are the bussed-in union thugs?
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