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Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:33 pm

green union terrace chair wrote:A more proper question would be, "does the senator subscribe to the theory of evolution?"


To which the honest response from Johnson's staff probably would have been "no, he believes in creationism".
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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:39 pm

So I guess that means scientists don't "believe" in electricity, since that is also a theory.
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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby jman111 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:56 pm

If we're gonna scrutinize semantics, shouldn't we know more about the "evolution" in which someone's beliefs are questioned? Why automatically assume this is about human (or even biological) evolution?
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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby Galoot » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:11 pm

Nobody is assuming. The guy who was asking Johnson's lackey was quite specific. He asked if Johnson believed in human evolution.
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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby jman111 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:17 pm

Yep, sorry. I had edited my initial response to more appropriately direct it to GUTC's question. I should have been more clear.
green union terrace chair wrote:The question is bogus. If you ask an evolutionary biologist or a paleontologist if they believe in evolution, they will say no.
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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby Galoot » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:23 pm

Ah, gotcha. And yes, I don't believe in evolution, I know it is as much of a scientific fact as anything can possibly be.

And I also very much doubt that Johnson believes that humans evolved. He probably has a lot of company in Wisconsin who are just as ignorant.
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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:25 pm

Galoot wrote:And I also very much doubt that Johnson believes that humans evolved.

His religion believes in a young earth; it also denies human evolution.
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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby jman111 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:28 pm

Somewhere in Washington a strategy is being formulated. I look forward to the senator's hedging when this topic is revisited.
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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby Detritus » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:29 pm

Now that we've resolved that, does the Senator believe in intelligent falling? How about the Biblical value of pi?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:59 pm

Galoot wrote:I also very much doubt that Johnson believes that humans evolved. He probably has a lot of company in Wisconsin who are just as ignorant.


To be fair, much of that company fails to act like they've evolved
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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby gozer » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:33 pm

jman111 wrote:If we're gonna scrutinize semantics, shouldn't we know more about the "evolution" in which someone's beliefs are questioned? Why automatically assume this is about human (or even biological) evolution?


or whether it is darwinian, lamarckian or something else . . .
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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby gozer » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:41 pm

this may have some relevance to the snap thread and some others . . . the phrase "survival of the fittest" was not even coined by darwin -- it was herbert spencer, i think 16 or 20 years before on the origin of species came out. i am not so sure darwin was a big fan of his theory being transmuted into social darwinism, either.

spencer is also famous for, amongst other things, the quote "the only result of saving people from their folly is to fill the world with fools" or something close.

i think he also founded herbert spencer gifts at the mall. once i asked the staff for help and they refused.
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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby green union terrace chair » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:46 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:So I guess that means scientists don't "believe" in electricity, since that is also a theory.

Don't be obtuse. Electricity is demonstrable, evolution is not.

Or you're just missing my point. "Belief" is not a word that is relateable to the scientific method. Neither is "faith."

I believe in the American Dream. I believe the children are our future. I believe in Crystal Light (because I believe in me).

I find that modern evolutionary theory is comprised of compelling arguments and strong, supportive evidence.

Do you see the difference?
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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:56 pm

green union terrace chair wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:So I guess that means scientists don't "believe" in electricity, since that is also a theory.

Don't be obtuse. Electricity is demonstrable, evolution is not.

Or you're just missing my point. "Belief" is not a word that is relateable to the scientific method. Neither is "faith."

Johnson is ruled by faith, not by knowledge.

I know the semantic distinctions. One of my undergraduate majors was philosophy. I am well versed in the various meanings of belief, knowledge and truth. You quibble.
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Re: Does Sen. Ron Johnson believe in evolution?

Postby Zoti Bemba » Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:05 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Johnson is ruled by faith, not by knowledge.

And spreadsheets and white boards. Because they validate the faith-based numbers and ideas you put into them by transforming them into whole new marvelous transcendent faith-based numbers and ideas. And, thus, knowledge? GIGO. Though my sense has always been that Senator Johnson's spreadsheets are mainly empty.
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