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Winnebago/Milwaukee/E. Wash hullaballoo

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Winnebago/Milwaukee/E. Wash hullaballoo

Postby TheBookPolice » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:15 am

Can anyone enlighten me on what exactly is going to happen to all the razed land in the rough triangle formed by Milwaukee St., E. Washington and the railroad tracks? I've been digging through Google hits and meeting notes and proposals, but I can't actually find out if there's an approved plan.

I can't believe that any city would go ahead with such a massive land redevelopment plan as this one must be. The number of buildings--however dilapidated--that were or will be torn down is staggering. It's what should have been done, but I'd never expect a city government to actually pull the trigger.

So what's the scoop? Am I going to be able to get onto East Wash from Winnebago without taking my life into my own hands? And what will become of the dual defunct Marathons in that area? Was the fire at one of them set intentionally to cut losses from all the Segment 3 construction due to start tomorrow? And for the love of god, will Red Letter News survive??
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Postby Dust Mite Rodeo » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:33 am

It's called Union Corners. A McGrath gig. A mix of retail and condos.

www.mcgrathprojects.com/current_project ... tails.html

Look at the map, and you'l see that the MKE street intersection is re-worked. Winnebago traffic will have to make a left turn on some street to get to E. Wash.

I'd like it if Red Letter News was out. Not because I hate "free speech", but just that it is a major element that drags the area in the sewer. But they just did a major re-model, I doubt they would have done that if they thought they were going to be out.
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Postby TheBookPolice » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:44 am

Thank you, DMR! I probably should have used the old noggin, since the only recently-gussied-up building in the area is probably the HQ for the project.

And yeah, Red Letter should be enticed to move off the main artery. Their nice window screens do not save their overall image.
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Postby AmyW » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:18 pm

Maybe if Red Letter tried to go for a Victoria's Secret or A Woman's Touch feel, it would work better? Right now it just seems to scream "Dirty Old Man".
I'm not sure how much of that comes from the building itself, which is quite ugly, or from what goes on behind the doors.
That whole area desperately needs a face-lift. I've drive through that intersection more in the last few weeks than I have in the past few years and it's just depressing.
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Postby bmasel » Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:53 pm

AmyW wrote:Maybe if Red Letter tried to go for a Victoria's Secret or A Woman's Touch feel, it would work better? Right now it just seems to scream "Dirty Old Man".
I'm not sure how much of that comes from the building itself, which is quite ugly, or from what goes on behind the doors.
That whole area desperately needs a face-lift. I've drive through that intersection more in the last few weeks than I have in the past few years and it's just depressing.


Then buy the place. I'm sure all the neighbors who think it's depressing their property values would invest what they expect to gain.
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Postby Bwis53 » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:14 pm

I said that same thing, some time ago. I think the building is interesting looking. Too bad someone can't invest in the whole deal and make that place a real chic, spa-like, erotic place. They'd make money hand over fist...
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Postby lysander » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:30 pm

Yeah. It's Red Letter News that drags down that area, not the fast food joints, the liquor stores, the payday advance loan places, the strip malls that house them, the vacant buildings that are now rubble, the proximity of Darbo Worthington, or the six lanes of highway. It's the porn shop that's been tastefully redone. I'm sure all the complainers have been inside since the remodel too. Or is it not 'chic' enough to approach and inspect?

Here's my solution: drive north on Stoughton Road to the truckstops. Right before you get to I90/94, there's a place on the west side of the road. Used to be a gas station, now it's an adult novelty store. Look at it, and tell me that RLN isn't classy enough for the neighborhood it's in. Also, the place on 51 is a bakery, according to the letters-made-of-tape on the side of the building.
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Postby Ducatista » Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:22 am

AmyW wrote:Maybe if Red Letter tried to go for a Victoria's Secret or A Woman's Touch feel, it would work better? Right now it just seems to scream "Dirty Old Man".

That's like saying "Maybe Club should go for more of a Playboy feel."

Pretend porn is fine, I guess, if you swing that way, but we already have Victoria's Secret and A Woman's Touch.

A dirty bookstore sanitized of all its dirty is just... a bookstore. Meh.
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Re: Winnebago/Milwaukee/E. Wash hullaballoo

Postby Dulouz » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:05 am

TheBookPolice wrote:So what's the scoop? Am I going to be able to get onto East Wash from Winnebago without taking my life into my own hands?


I would hope that you appreciate that you have "taken your life into your own hands" everytime you get behind the wheel of a car. . . maybe that's the real problem you have with the intersection. It is personally my favorite intersection in Madison. It is really a rush to enter from Bago and turn left onto North St. without stopping until the light!

But to answer your question. No, they are putting in a circle (the name escapes me) ala Thompson and Commericial. It it is designed as poorly as that one is, then you will still need to deal with your life while driving.
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Re: Winnebago/Milwaukee/E. Wash hullaballoo

Postby TheBookPolice » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:12 am

Dulouz wrote:I would hope that you appreciate that you have "taken your life into your own hands" everytime you get behind the wheel of a car. . . maybe that's the real problem you have with the intersection. It is personally my favorite intersection in Madison. It is really a rush to enter from Bago and turn left onto North St. without stopping until the light!

But to answer your question. No, they are putting in a circle (the name escapes me) ala Thompson and Commericial. It it is designed as poorly as that one is, then you will still need to deal with your life while driving.


I don't need a fix. I'd rather the risks I take in life were solely my own, not owing their success to the random idiots on E. Wash (present company excluded).

And re: the roundabout, I like those much more than unregulated near-parallel blind merges. Even if people have no clue how to use them, at least there are clearly-marked lane lines.
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Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:20 am

More condos and coffee places? That sound fantastic.
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Re: Winnebago/Milwaukee/E. Wash hullaballoo

Postby mrak » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:25 am

Dulouz wrote:But to answer your question. No, they are putting in a circle (the name escapes me) ala Thompson and Commericial.

Gack. They're not talking about building one to accommodate all of East Wash's traffic, are they?

On edit: Nevermind. They aren't. Which is good, as that'd be a nightmare for motorist and pedestrian alike.
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Re: Winnebago/Milwaukee/E. Wash hullaballoo

Postby TheBookPolice » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:33 am

mrak wrote:
Dulouz wrote:But to answer your question. No, they are putting in a circle (the name escapes me) ala Thompson and Commericial.

Gack. They're not talking about building one to accommodate all of East Wash's traffic, are they?


Lord no. It's the Winnebago breakwater before the Union Corners neighborhood. Outbound on Winnebago will now encounter a roundabout that then dumps out onto E. Wash via 6th.
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Postby mrak » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:48 am

Thanks, TBP. I've since found the plans for East Washington on the city's Web site (having not noticed the link in your original post).

I'm glad to see they'll be squaring up that East Wash/Milw./North intersection, and when completed, will allow inbound East Wash traffic to turn left on Milwaukee.

(I hope the construction doesn't cause Assumption to cancel Greek Fest again this year.)
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Re: Winnebago/Milwaukee/E. Wash hullaballoo

Postby Dulouz » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:59 am

mrak wrote:
Dulouz wrote:But to answer your question. No, they are putting in a circle (the name escapes me) ala Thompson and Commericial.

Gack. They're not talking about building one to accommodate all of East Wash's traffic, are they?

On edit: Nevermind. They aren't. Which is good, as that'd be a nightmare for motorist and pedestrian alike.


Sorry for the confusion, the roundabout will be on winnebago, but, imho, much more dangerous that the on-ramp it is replacing.
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