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Postby TheBookPolice » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:17 pm

narcoleptish wrote:
TheBookPolice wrote:
mrak wrote: I hope it succeeds, but it all feels just a little too oh-so-cool for my comfort.


mrak, it's not just you and your comment, but I'm exasperated. You're going to have to bear the brunt. Since when did "cool" come to mean the opposite?


I have to comment on this. I've felt that way about a few places in town (too cool...) in the last couple of years and I can't quite explain it. I don't want to feel that way, this place looks like someplace I would really like and I will get there eventually, but I know I'll get the same feeling as mrak, at least a little, even if I don't want to. I love the recycled materials ethos that they seem to have implemented in the design of the store (I build furniture that way), I love the neighborhood store thing, trying to be dog friendly is great. But there's definitely a chance that the place is going to give me one of two vibes that seem to make me feel the way mrak does. There's the basic "hipster/cooler than you" vibe, that I get at tubb's and nattspiel, and then there's the "we're doing everything absolutely right!" vibe, that this store will probably give me. It's unfortunate and a little vexing, but I will fight it and go in there anyway dammit! My best guess as to why this happens is simple age. I mean.....I've been cool for years! I've had a subscription to Dwell since before you little punks knew what it was (I'm saying all this with a smile BTW), I've been making things and decorating with salvaged materials since the eighties man! But alas, now when I go into the cool new places, I feel like it's a high school party and I'm just that "old dude in the kitchen".

But it looks like a interesting store and everybody should check it out. I'll be there, walking on the cuffs of my pants, cuz ya know, that's how all the kids are wearin em.


How dare you un-jack our Lebowski jack?!

I do understand both your position and mrak's (post-explanation); it's an issue of genuine vs. genuine imitation, not cool vs. whatever the opposite of cool is. I think MoCo is too personal an endeavor to be anything less than genuine, but I'm a touchy-feely kinda guy.

But I'd much rather bounce Lebowski quotes back and forth, regardless.
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Postby The Tolerator » Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:08 pm

Jesse Russell wrote:Well...this is one thing that stands out - how she treats employees:
Dane101 wrote:"she offers paid fitness breaks, a vacation buy-in program, and a home savings plan â?? she matches what they put into a savings account for buying their own real estate."


I don't know any business that does the latter.


You won't know this one in about 9 months either. It will close. Make room for Open Pantry! They have 10 different kinds of pop at the fountain!
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Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:50 am

Tolerator nailed it. I want my stop and slurps dirty and distorganized. I want the "stick-up can happen at any moment" vibe the second I walk in the door. I want dirty bathrooms and surly clerks who barely speak English. I want a hint of porn on the magazine rack and gas-caps next to beef jerky on the shelves. I want watered-down fountain drinks, expired milk and week-old hot dogs endless turning on the spit. I want the check-out counter cluttered with penny-candy and wilted roses.

Is that too much to ask?
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Postby lordofthecockrings » Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:10 am

Ned Flanders wrote:Tolerator nailed it.

Uh-oh....Ned's agreeing with himself again.
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Postby mrak » Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:03 pm

Not wanting to be hasty in my evaluation of the place, I took advantage of the afternoon off of work (thanks, Jesus!), and asked my wife if she'd be interested in going to MoCo for lunch.

We parked the car well out of view of the windows so they would know we drove there (Kidding! Sorta...), and checked out the salad bar, loading up a couple of bowls. My wife also got one of their veggie sushi rolls. Total w/an iced tea was about $13.

What's good about the place:
- The place looks bright and clean
- The people are friendly and helpful. If the look/vibe of the place is, (to use narco's phrase) "hipster/cooler than you," it certainly didn't carry through to the staff.
- Merchandise they sell is definitely cool (in a good way, TBP) - I lust after that laptop bag, and am trying (unsuccessfully, so far) to find it for less than the $75 MoCo charges for it.

Potential trouble spots:
- The salad and sushi, while not bad, were kind of un-special.
- While the layout of the store is luxuriously low-density, that's kind of a two-edged sword. It feels to me like it'll need more product per square foot to succeed.
- Still very few prices marked on shelves. I'm probably not going to buy anything that requires me to ask. Maybe they should consider a self-serve price scanner.
- The little seating area is nice, and we slurped down some of their free Wi-Fi with our lunch, but making you want to kick back and spend time in a convenience store, even as nice a one as this, is still a tough sell. (The outside seating, when the weather cooperates, will likely be more appealing.)

Bottom line: Certainly a nice enough place to duck in and buy something you need if you're in the area. I don't think they've succeeded in making it a <cringe>third place</cringe> - I mean, it takes a lot to make you want to hang out at a convenience store unless you're Jay or Silent Bob (and, come to think of it, they were actually working).
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Postby Ducatista » Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:24 pm

Has anyone else tried the BluCreek beers? The two I tried, the herbal and the IPA, were godawful. Took enough swigs of each to realize they were a breed of skunk I just couldn't stomach, and poured them down the drain. And I do not pour beer down the drain lightly.
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Postby TheBookPolice » Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:26 pm

mrak wrote:Merchandise they sell is definitely cool (in a good way, TBP) - I lust after that laptop bag, and am trying (unsuccessfully, so far) to find it for less than the $75 MoCo charges for it.


Cripes! You don't have to live in fear of me coming to your house and pummeling you for badmouthing "the cool."

And good luck on the laptop bag. The Sukie iPod cases (I mistyped before; the laptop bags are not Sukie) are very reasonably priced at MoCo. I would expect the laptop bags to be similarly bargain-y.
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Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:37 pm

Ducatista wrote:Has anyone else tried the BluCreek beers? The two I tried, the herbal and the IPA, were godawful. Took enough swigs of each to realize they were a breed of skunk I just couldn't stomach, and poured them down the drain. And I do not pour beer down the drain lightly.

No wonder. Their IPA has green tea in it. Why would anyone do that?

Herbal beer speaks for itself.

Hops should be the only flavoring in beer.
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Postby mrak » Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:37 pm

TheBookPolice wrote:Cripes! You don't have to live in fear of me coming to your house and pummeling you for badmouthing "the cool."

LMAO! You know I'm just havin' some fun, you... you human Paraquat!
...also, shouldn't that be "teh" cool, or isn't that cool anymore?

TheBookPolice wrote:And good luck on the laptop bag. The Sukie iPod cases (I mistyped before; the laptop bags are not Sukie) are very reasonably priced at MoCo. I would expect the laptop bags to be similarly bargain-y.

$75 is definitely the going rate for the Incase Sling, almost everywhere I've looked.* If I'm going to ante up for it (still deciding), I'll throw the money their way.


*Apple.com sells it for $5 less, and with free shipping. But I don't like their no-returns policy on non-Apple items. (If it's defective, they want to you to go to the manufacturer to get it replaced.)
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Postby Ducatista » Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:46 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:No wonder. Their IPA has green tea in it. Why would anyone do that?

Herbal beer speaks for itself.

Hops should be the only flavoring in beer.

Yeah, I really don't know what the hell I was thinking.
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Postby DedeTate » Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:39 pm

MoCo got a nice write-up by the Cap Times:
http://www.madison.com/tct/business/sto ... tid=128261
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Postby zamzam » Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:13 pm

$6.10 for ice cream. i guess the economy ain't so bad.
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