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East Washington..... anything coming?

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East Washington..... anything coming?

Postby narcoleptish » Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:27 pm

If someone can start another bike hater thread then I can rehash this subject. As I was siting in a boat recently on monona I was looking at the skyline and noticed how distinctly the skyline stopped at blair street, heading east, except for the smokestacks. The west side as we know, isn't like that. East wash is being slowly rebuilt and bettered. We haven't heard anything lately about future E. wash development, except the indefinite hold being put on union corners. I understand the condo market, being what it is, has had an effect, but are condos such an essential part of any new developments? There have been many successful developments that did not include condos, no?
Don miller, I assume, will eventually leave, archipilego(?) village is stagnant, Huge mullins properties sit vacant, I see a sign up at marling, fiore shopping center is a huge waste of space, union corners sits still, and then four blocks of payday loan businesses and fast food. As everyone likes to say, that is what anyone coming from the interstate and airport sees. I know this might be a tired subject but is there ANYTHING on the horizon? Any chance of real city-sized buildings? Any chance of any progress?

Anything?

Anyone?
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Postby bmasel » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:02 am

Springs.
Only a fool's gonna try and put a tower on top of all that shifting water.

The need to first excavate all the toxic soil adds to the cost while making the water flows that much less predictable.
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Postby Paco » Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:35 am

If you click on the banner ad on this page, you'd see there's a condo project on about block 600E. And it will be 5 floors tall, not 4! Can't believe they got that past the neighborhood association.
http://www.thecolonymadison.com/

Otherwise, not much going on.
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Postby Matthew Aro » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:33 pm

Soon there will be a great big empty space, aka "central" park. Or not.
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Postby Dust Mite Rodeo » Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:38 pm

Be careful of what you ask for. A lot of development isn't what you would want. Big-Box stores, strip malls, shoddy apartment complexes...

Condo towers - meh. I don't want to live in one anyways. E. Wash isn't going to attract moneyed condo buyers much anyways.
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Postby awestra » Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:45 pm

Paco wrote:If you click on the banner ad on this page, you'd see there's a condo project on about block 600E. And it will be 5 floors tall, not 4! Can't believe they got that past the neighborhood association.
http://www.thecolonymadison.com/

Otherwise, not much going on.


Last I heard it was being reduced to 3 floors due to very soft condo market.
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Postby scottyp65 » Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:23 pm

If you go to the city of madison web site, you can see their "final" design. I believe approval of the design for the E. Wash/Capital Gateway Corridor was delayed at the last plan commission meeting for members to review it in more detail. I am not sure when it was delayed to.

Here is a link, I believe to their final plan:
http://legistar.cityofmadison.com/attachments/6835.pdf

Sorry, too lazy to figure out a link. It is very ambitious, calling for development from 4 stories around first street all the way up to 8-12 stories to Blair. They even talk of a million square foot development capability capable of hosting a national headquarters for a very large company. We'll see.
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Postby narcoleptish » Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:01 pm

Dust Mite Rodeo wrote:Be careful of what you ask for. A lot of development isn't what you would want. Big-Box stores, strip malls, shoddy apartment complexes...


The best chance for shoddy apartments went away when gorman left. Apartments don't have to be shoddy. I wouldn't want it to look like east towne, but I wouldn't mind a Target on E wash west of the river. I think the drawings in the link above look great. Perhaps there would be a place for another gas station too. Between 1st st. and proudfit, there are what...three, and the one on E wash blows.
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Postby equuspower » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:12 pm

The gas station on W. Washington is one of the most, if not THE most, espensive gas stations in Madison.
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Postby flipmode » Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:03 pm

scottyp65 wrote:If you go to the city of madison web site, you can see their "final" design. I believe approval of the design for the E. Wash/Capital Gateway Corridor was delayed at the last plan commission meeting for members to review it in more detail. I am not sure when it was delayed to.

Here is a link, I believe to their final plan:
http://legistar.cityofmadison.com/attachments/6835.pdf


I don't think the area is too attractive to residential or commercial development until this plan is really "finalized". One of the Mullins said they struggled to attract tenants or buyers for commercial space without more certainty about the plan.
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Postby scottyp65 » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:37 pm

final approval from plan commission is scheduled to be debated on Aug 6 meeting:

http://legistar.cityofmadison.com/meeti ... Agenda.pdf
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Postby narcoleptish » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:18 pm

Drove home tonight, down E. Wash admiring all the fresh empty storefronts. I actually just noticed that JT's was gone, replaced with dark windows and graffiti. Fyfe's, savers, the cell phone store, great big pictures, union house (more graffiti). Soon Marling will be gone opening up a goldmine of tagger canvas. Seeing Krupp construction signs at fiore during the last few months seemed promising, at least until the result was a family dollar dump. Nothing says "we give up, bring on the soulless cheap shit" quite like a dollar store. Can a cash store and a chinese buffet be far behind?

Kudos to the tranquil tattoo shop and it's new neighbor for giving "the wash" a shot.

My prediction for the Marling site......the Mullins family will add it to their portfolio of prime, empty property. I wonder how many applicants are lined up to pay five figures a month for Fyfe's spot, there among the barren wasteland of 1300 through 1500 E. Wash. Does this family have a grand plan that will come to fruition sometime in our lifetimes?

Alder-forons, is this ever even discussed?

What is said?
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Postby white_rabbit » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:31 pm

Give the market a few years for population to catch up with the build up of housing. Union Corners will eventually be restarted and I'm betting within 10 years the old Marquip property will be redeveloped into mix use housing and retail. The East Washington corridor is the next big development area, but it's still probably about 10 to 15 years out before that area heats up with development projects.
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Postby Dulouz » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:39 pm

It might be even longer. The post-2010 projections show that jobs created in Madison will outstrip population growth. People will be coming for work, but they aren't going to live in Madison.
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Postby narcoleptish » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:19 pm

white_rabbit wrote:Give the market a few years for population to catch up with the build up of housing. Union Corners will eventually be restarted and I'm betting within 10 years the old Marquip property will be redeveloped into mix use housing and retail. The East Washington corridor is the next big development area, but it's still probably about 10 to 15 years out before that area heats up with development projects.


A very viable prediction, but 10 to 15 years is a long time for that area to slide into neglect. It is surrounded by pretty thriving areas. Willy st. to the south and the neighborhood (old market?) to the north seems to be in the early stages of gentrification. I think the people are there to support stuff, they just need someone to start something. If the Mullins family had any near-future plans for that area, the best thing they could have done was to work with Fyfe's to keep them there. (if the owners wanted to) They were the only thing to work off of in the area. What is the difference between giving them cheap or free rent for a few months to see if they can make a go of it, and letting the building sit empty for the next couple years, which is highly likely.
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