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The downtown plan

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Re: The downtown plan

Postby Stebben84 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:46 pm

ArturoBandini wrote:My eyes are bleeding!!! :roll: No, seriously, what's the big deal? Has Austin been disfigured to the point that no self-respecting business or individual would want to be seen with it in public?


I posted those with no content, but I actually like Austin's skyline better. Don't get me wrong, driving down John Nolin at night can be quite beautiful, but the amount of buildings at the same height kinda loses it after a while. I like a little variety in elevation. It makes for more interesting negative space in my opinion.
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Re: The downtown plan

Postby ArturoBandini » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:09 am

Stebben84 wrote:
ArturoBandini wrote:My eyes are bleeding!!! :roll: No, seriously, what's the big deal? Has Austin been disfigured to the point that no self-respecting business or individual would want to be seen with it in public?


I posted those with no content, but I actually like Austin's skyline better. Don't get me wrong, driving down John Nolin at night can be quite beautiful, but the amount of buildings at the same height kinda loses it after a while. I like a little variety in elevation. It makes for more interesting negative space in my opinion.

Your non-commentary is noted. So we're in agreement, I suppose. Madison skyline = pretty good, Austin skyline = pretty good. Skylines in general = not worth stopping modern development in the name of symbolic/historic preservation.
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Re: The downtown plan

Postby MadMind75 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:11 am

ArturoBandini wrote:Skylines in general = not worth stopping modern development in the name of symbolic/historic preservation.

I agree with Arturo. I think the height limit is draconian in nature.
Detritus wrote:I like tall buildings and I like the capitol too.

Perhaps there's a solution here that we're not realizing...
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Problem solved! Now Madison is free to build up!
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Re: The downtown plan

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:26 am

Then there is Houston, which doesn't even have zoning laws.

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Re: The downtown plan

Postby snoqueen » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:55 am

I note with amusement that to the right of the pics of Austin and Houston and the funny stretched Madison shop-pic I see not one but TWO ads depicting... the Madison capitol building. Since the web page swaps out ads you might see something different, but it's no secret the Capitol is a recognized and well-loved symbol statewide. Sure, it's a stuffy old beaux-arts rock pile with terrible accessibility and not enough bathrooms, but it means something to people same as the history of Wisconsin politics means something (though Scott Walker doesn't know that yet).

I'm not usually big on symbolism and tradition, but in this case I say let's not hope to bury the Capitol view behind a bunch of clutter. Drive in along Cottage Grove Road from east of the interstate, come up over that last hill and see Madison spread out below you with that big silly ol' dome in the middle, and it's still kind of a thrill.
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Re: The downtown plan

Postby Ducatista » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:04 pm

snoqueen wrote:...the funny post-ordinance Madison shop-pic (giant Edgewater spire?)...

Ha! Tall=bad goggles function exactly as I thought.

I love the capitol as part of the skyline, but that drive-by perspective is funny to me as a downtown resident. Hardly takes any height to block the view at pedestrian level—which allows for endless appealing reveals as you walk (or drive) round the neighborhood.
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Re: The downtown plan

Postby MadMind75 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:10 pm

snoqueen wrote:...it's no secret the Capitol is a recognized and well-loved symbol statewide. Sure, it's a stuffy old beaux-arts rock pile, but it means something to people...
I'm not usually big on symbolism and tradition, but in this case I say let's not hope to bury the Capitol view behind a bunch of clutter.

It's this kind of attachment to "the city you know" that is keeping Madison from going in new and potentially exciting directions. You've seen the Capitol once you've seen it a hundred times.
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Re: The downtown plan

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:37 am

MadMind75 wrote:You've seen the Capitol once you've seen it a hundred times.

Your statement reminds me of Reagan's: If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all.
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Re: The downtown plan

Postby MadMind75 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:08 am

Henry Vilas wrote:
MadMind75 wrote:You've seen the Capitol once you've seen it a hundred times.

Your statement reminds me of Reagan's: If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all.

Oh c'mon now. There's only one Wisconsin Capitol building, and I'm not proposing having it removed or destroyed. Poor analogy.
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Re: The downtown plan

Postby Henry Vilas » Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:54 am

MadMind75 wrote:There's only one Wisconsin Capitol building, and I'm not proposing having it removed or destroyed.

Don't you want to replace it with a gentlemen's club (aka titty bar)?
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Re: The downtown plan

Postby gargantua » Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:16 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
MadMind75 wrote:There's only one Wisconsin Capitol building, and I'm not proposing having it removed or destroyed.

Don't you want to replace it with a gentlemen's club (aka titty bar)?


Cheap shot dude!

Funny though.
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Re: The downtown plan

Postby green union terrace chair » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:19 pm

I'd prefer not to see our billion-dollar capitol occluded by twenty-million-dollar buildings.
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Re: The downtown plan

Postby ABCD » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:14 pm

Stebben84 wrote:
snoqueen wrote:http://www.pbase.com/image/52752741

Link is to photo of Austin capitol skyline at night. You decide.


Here is a better comparison:

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For me the skyline of Madison is unique and gives it a sense of place. The skyline of Austin or Houston can be anywhere/everywhere USA and has no sense of place.
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Re: The downtown plan

Postby ABCD » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:25 pm

MadMind75 wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:
MadMind75 wrote:You've seen the Capitol once you've seen it a hundred times.

Your statement reminds me of Reagan's: If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all.

Oh c'mon now. There's only one Wisconsin Capitol building, and I'm not proposing having it removed or destroyed. Poor analogy.


Since Walker and the Republicans are such fans of Arizona, why not sell the Capitol Building to private interests like Arizona and lease it back?
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Re: The downtown plan

Postby narcoleptish » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:47 am

ABCD wrote:
For me the skyline of Madison is unique and gives it a sense of place. The skyline of Austin or Houston can be anywhere/everywhere USA and has no sense of place.



So, you're from Madison and you've never been to Texas? That's cool.
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