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Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby Shovel Ready » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:32 pm

This is just amazing....


1. $198 Million to Philipino WWII veterans, 2/3 do not live in the USA.
2. $650 Million for DTV boxes for those who will not buy there own converter.
3. $50 Million to the NEA (National Endowment of the Arts)
4. $70 Million for a Smoking Cessation Program to help people quit smoking.
5. $79 Billion to help bail out states that can not maintain their own budgets.

WOW! Are you fucking kidding me?

No trolley for Mayor Goofball yet but there is more oink-oink (a.k.a. Barney Frank) to come.
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Re: Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby peripat » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:22 pm

Obviously some of it should have gone to spelling classes for adults
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Re: Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby Shovel Ready » Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:17 pm

peripat wrote:Obviously some of it should have gone to spelling classes for adults


or $200 million to re-sod the Mall in Washington. Whoops its already in there.
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Re: Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby cxl01 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:04 am

Shovel Ready wrote:1. $198 Million to Philipino WWII veterans, 2/3 do not live in the USA.
2. $650 Million for DTV boxes for those who will not buy there own converter.
3. $50 Million to the NEA (National Endowment of the Arts)
4. $70 Million for a Smoking Cessation Program to help people quit smoking.
5. $79 Billion to help bail out states that can not maintain their own budgets.

Link?
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Re: Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby ilikebeans » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:21 am

cxl01 wrote:Link?

I'd like to second the request for credible links.
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Re: Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby dogmeat » Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:11 am

ilikebeans wrote:
cxl01 wrote:Link?

I'd like to second the request for credible links.

You'll probably have to wait until it's signed into law before you actually have a chance to read it.
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Re: Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby Shovel Ready » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:41 am

ilikebeans wrote:
cxl01 wrote:Link?

I'd like to second the request for credible links.


Here ya go....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/12/AR2009021203502.html
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Re: Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby Stu Levitan » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:26 pm

Helping people quit smoking cuts society's health-care costs.
NEA employs people in the arts. Those are jobs, too, you know.
States employ people who, if they lose their jobs, could lose their homes, health care, etc.
And, with the economy having lost $15 TRILLION in stock and housing wealth, plus a trillion lost each year in reduced demand, -- not to mention the TWO MILLION JOBS LOST IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS -- you're really quibbling about a couple hundred million for converter boxes and WWII vets?
Jeez, get some perspective.
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Re: Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby Shovel Ready » Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:14 pm

Stu Levitan wrote:.. you're really quibbling about a couple hundred million for converter boxes and WWII vets?
Jeez, get some perspective.


Yes, I am. Its amazing when someone has the mindset that "a couple hundred million.." is an acceptable amount of money to waste on “non-stimulus” bullshit. Let me guess, you work for the government. It’s the only explanation for your comments. You are also assuming that the additional hundreds of billions will be spent wisely by the wasteful government agencies that are responsible for doling out our cash. How is that Overture Center, Goodman pool or the array of TIFF condo projects working out for you? Get the picture yet? Blowing tens of millions locally is nothing compared to what we are going to see with this porky beast.

Not to mention that Lil' Timmy Geithner hasn't given anyone the impression that he could be in charge of child’s lemonade stand let alone the US Treasury.

Amazingly naïve is the only way to describe your comments.
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Re: Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby Walter » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:09 pm

[using best Mean Gene Okerlund voice]

Strong words from the Challenger...Any response Champ?
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Re: Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby Shovel Ready » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:23 pm

Walter wrote:[using best Mean Gene Okerlund voice]

Strong words from the Challenger...Any response Champ?



Porky must be gearing up to spend our cash. Honestly, what an insult to insinuate that “a couple of hundred million” is throwaway money.

Unbelievable!

I really hope that he isn’t a government employee with the potential to make financial decisions.

Typical "Whistling Past the Graveyard" ass when things don't work out.
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Re: Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby ilikebeans » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:35 am

Shovel Ready wrote:1. $198 Million to Philipino WWII veterans, 2/3 do not live in the USA.

This is one I was questioning. Turns out, while it might be odd to make it part of the stimulus bill (technically pork, I suppose), it's money that should have been paid out a looooong time ago.

File it under righting an old wrong; subheading: supporting the troops.
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Re: Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby Ned Flounders » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:35 am

Last time around (in what we may soon be calling "the First Great Depression") it took an unprecedentedly massive stimulus program to get the country going again. FDR's New Deal jobs programs got us part way there, but it took the massive stimulus of WWII to finally lift us out of the Depression.

In that case, the bulk of the "stimulus" involved paying for bullets, artillery shells, and bombs, not to mention sending a few million young men overseas for a couple of years.

From an economic standpoint, the "products" of that 1941-1945 stimulus spending were unimportant. We could have been paying people to dig holes and fill them up.

What the country needs now is a massive dose of government spending. It would obviously be best if we could spend all of that money on really useful things -- infrastructure like new high-speed rail networks between major cities, or huge investments in renewable energy, or vastly expanded high-speed internet or what have you.

But stopping to quibble over a couple of hundred million dollars here or there in the budget would be disastrous. Save the complaints about "pork" for after the recovery, please, when the economy is growing on its own. Right now we're staring into the abyss. If the stimulus bill has any faults, it's probably that it's too small.

And if that doesn't convince you, just remember that pretty much every dollar spent on the stimulus bill is doing something more useful than the similarly-sized Iraq war spending!
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Re: Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby Bwis53 » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:40 am

Don't forget, when Johnny came marching back home, Rosie the Riveter, had to step aside, go back home and pretend.
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Re: Stimulus Oink-Oink

Postby Ned Flounders » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:08 am

Recommended reading:

Stimulus: Can it work like Roosevelt's New Deal?
Why government spending plus easy money could pull US out of recession by year's end.http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0223/p16s01-wmgn.html (David R. Francis, 23 Feb 2009).

The New Deal and the New New Deal: Countering Conservative Claptrap. (Robert Reich, 19 Feb 2009).

What the centrists have wrought. (Paul Krugman, 7 Feb 2009).

Franklin Delano Obama? (Paul Krugman, NY Times, 8 November 2008.
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