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Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby madmatt77 » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:21 pm

Driving home from work today, I turned on Vicki McKenna's news talk show on WIBA and heard something I had to share here. Speaking about the way that the recent Somalian pirates were handled by the Navy Seals, McKenna lambasted Obama's handling of the situation. To paraphrase: "He had those three young, poor kids killed". "They were just poor and hungry, and that's why they were taking that captain hostage and shooting at the Navy. But the media just gives him a gold star for this instead of criticizing.

WHAT?????

So apparently, Obama is evil for "giving the order" to shoot 3 pirates who had taken an American captain hostage and shooting at the U.S. Navy. I guarantee if those pirates had names like Muhammad or were carrying the Koran, our Miss McKenna would not have given a damn. She certainly didn't seem to mind the senseless "Shock and Awe" bombing of Iraq and the killing of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians.

Are Republicans so desperately grasping at straws that they will attack Obama for this? Can you imagine if it was McCain who gave the same order and Tom Hartman had made the same comment? The Republicans would be outraged that he was taking the side of "terrorists" who were trying to kill U.S. sailors.
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Re: Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:35 pm

Its really best not to try to figure out what they are thinking. They don't have any actual views on these things that they will stick to at least. One of them will say he shouldn't have done that another will claim the victory was Bush's (becasue Bush invented the Navy). As long as the end result is "Obama Bad" the details don't really matter. Take this whole Teabagging thing. Does it make any sense at all? No. Don't worry though. There won't be a Republican Party by 2012 the way things are going.
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Re: Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby TheBookPolice » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:37 pm

Well, like Rumsfeld told us, freedom means that "people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things" (a line that celebrated its 6th birthdayon Saturday, incidentally). We should be supporting the freedom of those Somalis.

:roll:

Clearly, Vicki's heart is two sizes too small.
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Re: Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby madmatt77 » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:43 pm

fisticuffs wrote:Its really best not to try to figure out what they are thinking. They don't have any actual views on these things that they will stick to at least. One of them will say he shouldn't have done that another will claim the victory was Bush's (becasue Bush invented the Navy). As long as the end result is "Obama Bad" the details don't really matter. Take this whole Teabagging thing. Does it make any sense at all? No. Don't worry though. There won't be a Republican Party by 2012 the way things are going.


Yeah, that "teabagging" thing kills me too. On the same station I heard some other Republican hack talking about the teabaggers being the "silent majority". Really? A majority of Americans don't want a middle-class tax break, but would love to see the richest 1% of Americans enjoy Bush's tax cuts?

I'm starting to think there's more than tea in those teabags the Republicans are carrying around.
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Re: Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:45 pm

I think Kyle put it best on South Park last week. These people's ego's are so out of control that they perform mental gymnastics to protect them. This was the problem with Bush. He honestly believed what he was doing was right but only becasue he couldn't allow himself to be wrong. Which he was. On everything. Republicans as a whole have caught this disease and at every opportunity they twist and turn regardless of fact or reality so that they are always right and the left is always wrong. Look at Ned, AV and others. It's a dementia. If Obama got in front of a camera and said the sun sets in the west they would argue it sets in the East. Luckily only about 20% of the Fox News gargling public has been effected. One shred of success by this president and they will all but disappear in the coming elections. Unless of course they get their heads out of their asses and join the minority group of Republicans who still have a shred of decency like the Megan McCains (who by the way is under constant vicious attack).
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Re: Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby Dangerousman » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:58 pm

I didn't hear the broadcast, but my guess is VM said it with a bit of sarcasm in her voice. I'm sure she has no problem with pirates getting shot, other than perhaps missing the opportunity to do the shooting herself.

I guess if I was going to criticize Obama for his handling of the situation it would be due to the fact that (reportedly) the DOD asked him twice if they could have clearance to take the pirates out. Why would they need to ask twice? Or even once? It's a small point, he did the right thing.

So, I'll just throw this out for discussion, do you think merchant ship crews (at least those operating in pirate invested areas) ought to be armed?
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Re: Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:05 pm

So, I'll just throw this out for discussion, do you think merchant ship crews (at least those operating in pirate invested areas) ought to be armed?


I think so but from what I've read it's not our call whatsoever. All the countries these ships visit have different regulations. To me a handful of yes well funded pirates should be no match for any countries military. Shouldn't be too difficult to blow them all out of the water ya know.

Armed escort ships at the very least or maybe a decoy shipment or two with gun ships standing by. Seems like a relatively simple police matter.
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Re: Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby nevermore » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:29 pm

Clearly Vicki and her ilk are still so upset at the decision America made in November that they desperately want it to fail.
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Re: Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby Galoot » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:32 pm

fisticuffs wrote:
I think so but from what I've read it's not our call whatsoever. All the countries these ships visit have different regulations. To me a handful of yes well funded pirates should be no match for any countries military. Shouldn't be too difficult to blow them all out of the water ya know.

Armed escort ships at the very least or maybe a decoy shipment or two with gun ships standing by. Seems like a relatively simple police matter.


It might be relatively simple to only escort U.S. ships in the area, but to escort all ships? It's 1.1 million square miles of open ocean! I agree that escorting ships is a good idea, and decoy ships an even better idea, but I think countries whose ships are being hijacked (Greece, etc) should provide some warships of their own in the area.

And arming merchant ships is a big problem. What ports are willing to allow civilian ships in, with relatively untrained crew, carrying 50 caliber machine guns and/or rocket launchers? Or even small arms such as AK-47s? I don't think any ports in the world allow this, although I could be wrong.
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Re: Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby madmatt77 » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:34 pm

Dangerousman wrote:I didn't hear the broadcast, but my guess is VM said it with a bit of sarcasm in her voice. I'm sure she has no problem with pirates getting shot, other than perhaps missing the opportunity to do the shooting herself.


Actually, she was quite serious about it. Her guest at one point even told her to "calm down". He said he thought it was probably going to be the best thing Obama ever did. Hearing another righty tell her to calm down was just about the funniest thing I've heard on that show.

As for your second point about arming merchant vessels, I'm all for it. Supposedly, it is up to the shipping company to decide whether they will allow arms on board. I don't see why they wouldn't allow at least the captain to be strapped, especially when going through shipping lanes targeted by pirates.
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Re: Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby Dangerousman » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:52 pm

Fisti, I believe you're right. Each country can determine whether they wish to allow an armed ship into their ports. On the other hand, if they refuse entry they may just have to look elsewhere for the goods they seek.
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Re: Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby madmatt77 » Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:47 pm

I just spent an hour trying to find an International Maritime Law document pertaining to carrying arms aboard a vessel traveling International waters, but found nothing. I'm sick of looking. Anyone else have a link handy?
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Re: Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby white_rabbit » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:21 pm

Dangerousman wrote:
I guess if I was going to criticize Obama for his handling of the situation it would be due to the fact that (reportedly) the DOD asked him twice if they could have clearance to take the pirates out. Why would they need to ask twice? Or even once? It's a small point, he did the right thing.


President Obama approved action, twice.

WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama twice authorized the military to rescue a U.S. captain who was being held by Somali pirates and whose life appeared to be at risk, administration official said after Sunday's rescue.

The Defense Department twice asked Obama for permission to use military force to rescue Capt. Richard Phillips from a lifeboat off the Somali coast. Obama first gave permission around 8 p.m. Friday, and upgraded it at 9:20 a.m. Saturday. Officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations said the second order was to encompass more military personnel and equipment that arrived in the Indian Ocean to engage the pirates.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30182256/
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Re: Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby HeyZeus » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:24 pm

nevermore wrote:Clearly Vicki and her ilk are still so upset at the decision America made in November that they desperately want it to fail.


When the republicans were in charge, Vicki said everything was the democrats fault. Now that the dems are in charge, everything is still the dems fault.

McKenna's law does not allow for any blame reciprocity.
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Re: Vicki McKenna grows a heart

Postby Dangerousman » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:05 pm

white_rabbit wrote:President Obama approved action, twice.

That's good.
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