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T Wall's Not Happy

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T Wall's Not Happy

Postby Jazznews » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:04 am

The Library DOA
(Call 911, because we’re pretty sure there is going to be a whambulance reaction to T. Wall letting off a little steam....)


July 9, 2009

As reported in the pages of In Business magazine.

Request for Proposal ("RFP"): Dysfunctional City (of Madison) seeks eternally optimistic developer to spend a year and a half, along with tens of thousands of dollars and lots of staff and consultant time, to propose a project that won't happen. Must have a thick skin and be prepared to take on dozens of naysayers as well as be bashed by a slew of Monday morning quarterbacks, know-it-all-but-haven't-produced-anything types, only to be told "sorry" in the end.

The following is my personal story of my experience with the proposed new Madison Central Library. I am not complaining; but I thought you would be interested to hear what a developer goes through on a project like this...

...I learned that there's a group of residents who spend their time attacking anyone who has an idea or wants to improve Madison; they simply don't want change. Of course, they've never contributed by actually creating or producing anything, but in spite of their lack of experience, they view themselves as the experts on every subject and they are relentless in their criticism.

Then there are the business owners who deliberately sabotage other business leaders' attempts at contributing positively to our community; maybe they're a competitor or they weren't asked to be involved in the proposal. ...

Then there was the competing downtown office building owner who doesn't want more office buildings built downtown because a new building might compete with his buildings. Talk about desperate; he called the city and bad-mouthed us. Then he called the library people, and then he called a member of the committees, all in an effort to kill the project. Never mind the benefits a new library would provide for our community; I believe he was solely interested his own personal corporate welfare.

Then there was the committee that repeatedly pushed off a decision and whose Chair kept heading off in a new and different direction ...
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Re: T Wall's Not Happy

Postby Learned » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:23 am

"I am not complaining;"

What do you call it then, Terrance?
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Re: T Wall's Not Happy

Postby snoqueen » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:49 pm

Geez, what a baby.

RFP's are the way development is done. Sure, they're costly. The developers who offer proposals are taking a big risk and putting their best out for public criticism.

And no matter how many proposals are entered, only one will be selected.

And then, there's no guarantee the money will be there, or will still be there, or will turn up. Architectural history contains many thousands of unbuilt proposals and plans. Half the stuff in the Frank Lloyd Wright archives was and is unbuilt. Google any 20th/21st century major architect preceded by "unbuilt" and you'll come up with dozens of links. It's part of the game.

What does Terrence Wall, professional developer, not understand about this?
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Re: T Wall's Not Happy

Postby Stu Levitan » Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:51 am

Not only is he the biggest whiner in the world, but politically he's completely insane. Here's his take, in the June issue of In Business, on anonymous blogging and commentary:

"If you can't offer a comment with your name behind it, how much validity should readers put into it? No wonder we've become a decadent society headed towards European-style socialism."

Now, as long-time forons know, I really have a problem with people who post under pseudonyms. But for TW to link that practice with our becoming "a decadent society" marching towards "European-style socialism" is just ... well, actually, words fail in trying to describe just how wingnuttia that is. And this guy wonders why nobody wants to do business with him? If he hadn't been staked to a fortune by his developer daddy, no way this guy ever comes close to being a success in business.

What a wanker.
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Re: T Wall's Not Happy

Postby Jazznews » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:17 am

The decadent people are the ones who can afford his proposals.
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Re: T Wall's Not Happy

Postby sydgrl » Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:23 pm

they've never contributed by actually creating or producing anything


And, how exactly would he know this? He has the sense of entitlement that is typical for brats who were given everything from daddy without having to work too hard. They get a huge leg up and then act like they're business geniuses. I hope the city never gives this douchebag another penny.
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Re: T Wall's Not Happy

Postby Stu Levitan » Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:55 pm

"Born on third base, thought he had hit a triple."

Was that Molly Ivins on Shrub, or Ann Richards on G.H.W. Bush? Either way, also applies to the wanker TWall.
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Re: T Wall's Not Happy

Postby Peacetrain » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:34 pm

sydgrl wrote:
they've never contributed by actually creating or producing anything


And, how exactly would he know this? He has the sense of entitlement that is typical for brats who were given everything from daddy without having to work too hard. They get a huge leg up and then act like they're business geniuses. I hope the city never gives this douchebag another penny.


just curious sydgrl, do you know this 1st hand about T.Wall or are you just stereotyping those who inherit money or a business?
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Re: T Wall's Not Happy

Postby mrs. mcdonell » Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:49 pm

Stu Levitan wrote:"Born on third base, thought he had hit a triple."

Was that Molly Ivins on Shrub, or Ann Richards on G.H.W. Bush? Either way, also applies to the wanker TWall.


I thought it was Jim Hightower (on ghw), but in any case, I love it.
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Re: T Wall's Not Happy

Postby Bad Gradger » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:50 am

Stu Levitan wrote:"Born on third base, thought he had hit a triple."

Was that Molly Ivins on Shrub, or Ann Richards on G.H.W. Bush? Either way, also applies to the wanker TWall.

Richards used it to describe Bush, Sr., although the aphorism is much older. It's still apt for the T-Walls of this world.
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Re: T Wall's Not Happy

Postby white_rabbit » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:55 am

mrs. mcdonell wrote:
Stu Levitan wrote:"Born on third base, thought he had hit a triple."

Was that Molly Ivins on Shrub, or Ann Richards on G.H.W. Bush? Either way, also applies to the wanker TWall.


I thought it was Jim Hightower (on ghw), but in any case, I love it.


I didn't dig too deep, but when I googled "Born on third base, thought he had hit a triple" it comes up attributed to Richards, Hightower and Ivins.

By the way, three of my favorite Texans are Ann Richards, Molly Ivins and Jim Hightower. If I were given three wishes by a magic genie I would use one of them wishing that I could go back in time and spend a night sitting around a barroom table somewhere in Texas back when Richards & Ivins were still alive and still drinking and spend a night drinking whiskey with those three talking politics.
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Re: T Wall's Not Happy

Postby green union terrace chair » Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:49 pm

Didn't T-Wall come up with and sink thousands of dollars into his library proposal before proposals were even solicited by the city?
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Re: T Wall's Not Happy

Postby roadkill bill » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:02 pm

green union terrace chair wrote:Didn't T-Wall come up with and sink thousands of dollars into his library proposal before proposals were even solicited by the city?


Yes, he did.

Not that there's anything wrong with tossing out an idea to start the discussion, and maybe even get your foot in the door, but if your proposal isn't selected, please don't whine about how much money you spent. No one asked him to spend oodles of money in advance. That was his choice, and a decent calculated risk.

But risks are exactly that. Sometimes they pay off, and sometimes they don't.

Fiore had an excellent proposal as well, and theirs was ultimately judged better. (I don't have a strong opinion either way.)

I'm sure T Wall just assumed that because he had sunk a bunch of money into an early idea, and had issued all sorts of press releases, that his proposal would be picked over Fiore's.

But that's not the way it works. The city - or any other entity putting out an RFP - doesn't pick yours just because you bitch the loudest. (If it was my choice, whining and bitching would disqualify the applicant.)
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Re: T Wall's Not Happy

Postby green union terrace chair » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:31 pm

roadkill bill wrote:Not that there's anything wrong with tossing out an idea to start the discussion, and maybe even get your foot in the door, but if your proposal isn't selected, please don't whine about how much money you spent. No one asked him to spend oodles of money in advance. That was his choice, and a decent calculated risk.

But risks are exactly that. Sometimes they pay off, and sometimes they don't.


Agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed and agreed.
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Re: T Wall's Not Happy

Postby HeyZeus » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:48 pm

roadkill bill wrote:I'm sure T Wall just assumed that because he had sunk a bunch of money into an early idea, and had issued all sorts of press releases, that his proposal would be picked over Fiore's.

But that's not the way it works. The city - or any other entity putting out an RFP - doesn't pick yours just because you bitch the loudest. (If it was my choice, whining and bitching would disqualify the applicant.)


And as a professional developer, you'd think he'd know that.

What a whiner.
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