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Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan...

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Re: Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan...

Postby Stella_Guru » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:30 am

fisticuffs wrote:The GOP would rather cut Pell grants and school lunches for poor children than cut off one of their dictators.

Obama advocating for freedom for Egyptians while at the same time deepening corporate social and economic hegemony over here is the height of hypocricy. But then again, dropping a few phrases of empathy for the suckers in his base is quite predictable, considering their obsessive compulsion to suspend all disbelief.
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Re: Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan...

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:43 am

Both the New York Times and the Washington Post are reporting that Mubarek will probably step down today. There is also hints that the army will take over.
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DEAFENING SILENCE IN IRAQ

Postby Huckleby » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:19 pm

The unrest is spreading across the Arab world. Major protests in Tunisia, Algeria, Jordan, Syria, Bahrain, Yemen. Limited stirrings in Lebannon, Gaza, West Bank, Saudi Arabia. A "day of rage" has been announced, at least, for next week in Iran.

Why do we hear not a peep from Iraq? Obviously the population has some trust that the country is on road to democracy. This is a very low bar, but maybe that place is going to make it.
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Re: DEAFENING SILENCE IN IRAQ

Postby magic moose » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:27 am

Huckleby wrote:The unrest is spreading across the Arab world. Major protests in Tunisia, Algeria, Jordan, Syria, Bahrain, Yemen. Limited stirrings in Lebannon, Gaza, West Bank, Saudi Arabia. A "day of rage" has been announced, at least, for next week in Iran.

Why do we hear not a peep from Iraq? Obviously the population has some trust that the country is on road to democracy. This is a very low bar, but maybe that place is going to make it.


!!! The conclusion I get is different. Not that "it worked", but that we might have saved lives and our reputation in Iraq by taking the current approach to undermining exploitative regimes.

Does anyone out there know these other countries a little? Anyone lurking who knows anything? The internal politics of each, at least to my untrained eye, seem vastly different from one another.
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Re: DEAFENING SILENCE IN IRAQ

Postby Huckleby » Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:59 am

magic moose wrote: !!! The conclusion I get is different. Not that "it worked", but that we might have saved lives and our reputation in Iraq by taking the current approach to undermining exploitative regimes .


The problem with mind-altering, historical earthquakes is that they rarely actually alter any minds. People find a way to spin the lessons in such a way to re-enforce the opinions they already hold. Reflection occurs much later, grudgingly.

I agree with your point that an Egypt-like revolt might have happened in Iraq if we left it alone. Then again, maybe not, different circumstances (especially that Egypt is more ethnically homogenous.) For sure, what happened in Egypt has a great advantage over the birth of democracy in Iraq, it carries more weight in the hearts of the people.

It is possible that the fledgling democracy in Iraq, along with Obama's speech in Cairo, encouraged people's hopes in Egypt. It's also an undeniably positive sign that the people in Iraq have evidently accepted that they already have democracy, they aren't joining other Arabs in the streets in demanding it.
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a good sign

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