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Klimate Kooks Korrekt

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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:29 am

kurt_w wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:battering ram! the left! political agenda! LSM! public schools! crooked "scientists"! taken the bait! phonies! Al Gore! Solyndra crooks! rake in cash! buy huge homes! private jets! boats! gullible! manipulating the political system! lavish lifestyles!


Guess this thread was too much for ol' Ned.


I'm pretty sure those no-good, science-spewing environmentalist scam artists are fleecing us all so they can score one of these puppies.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby kurt_w » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:41 am

It's always entertaining when Ned has one of those meltdowns and, in a fit of helpless pique, dials the Propaganda Meter up to 11.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby mrak » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:46 am

kurt_w wrote:It's always entertaining when Ned has one of those meltdowns and, in a fit of helpless pique, dials the Propaganda Meter up to 11.

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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:48 pm

Uh oh, global warming loons: here comes Climategate II!

"...two years after the Climategate, a further batch of emails has been leaked onto the internet by a person – or persons – unknown. And as before, they show the "scientists" at the heart of the Man-Made Global Warming industry in a most unflattering light. Michael Mann, Phil Jones, Ben Santer, Tom Wigley, Kevin Trenberth, Keith Briffa – all your favourite Climategate characters are here, once again caught red-handed in a series of emails exaggerating the extent of Anthropogenic Global Warming, while privately admitting to one another that the evidence is nowhere near as a strong as they'd like it to be.

In other words, what these emails confirm is that the great man-made global warming scare is not about science but about political activism. This, it seems, is what motivated the whistleblower 'FOIA 2011' (or "thief", as the usual suspects at RealClimate will no doubt prefer to tar him or her) to go public"

/// The IPCC Process ///

<1939> Thorne/MetO:

Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical
troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a
wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the
uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these
further if necessary [...]

<3066> Thorne:

I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it
which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.

<1611> Carter:

It seems that a few people have a very strong say, and no matter how much
talking goes on beforehand, the big decisions are made at the eleventh hour by
a select core group.

<2884> Wigley:

Mike, The Figure you sent is very deceptive [...] there have been a number of
dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC [...]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/james ... tegate-ii/
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby kurt_w » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:57 pm

Are there any movie franchises where the original was a dud but the sequel turned out to be interesting?

I'm having trouble thinking of any, but maybe it's just me.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby rabble » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:03 pm

I know everybody else hated it but I really liked Predator 2. Not that Predator 1 was really a dud but I liked Danny Glover's movie better. Or maybe because it had Busey getting his head chopped off.

Anyway.

So, we have a technical discussion, not about whether the data is wrong, but about how it's presented.

We have a blog posting from one of the emailers, Judith Curry.
My most important statement IMO is this: ‘To say that there is detracts from the credibility of the data, which is very unfortunate.’ My main point was that this is a very good data set, the best we currently have available for land surface temperatures. To me, this should have been the big story: a new comprehensive data set, put together by a team of physicists and statisticians with private funds. Showing preliminary results is of course fine, but overselling them at this point was a mistake IMO.


Huh. So if a group of scientists argue about the data and its presentation while they're writing up the paper for the journal, it's bad data.

Straws, grasping, desperation.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:05 pm

kurt_w wrote:Are there any movie franchises where the original was a dud but the sequel turned out to be interesting?

I'm having trouble thinking of any, but maybe it's just me.

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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby DCB » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:06 pm

parallel world Ned Flanders wrote:Terrorism is a hoax.

The same people who said 9/11 was an "inside job" are now blaming "Al Quaeda".

We're told that this is a "crisis". In reality it's a rhetorical battering ram used by the right to forward a political agenda. The LSM, defense contractors and crooked "analysts" do the heavy lifting.

Unfortunately, too many have taken the bait.

In the meantime, phonies like Dick Cheney and the Halliburton crooks continue to rake in cash, buy huge homes, private jets and boats while peddling this nonsense to the gullible while manipulating the political system for the cash to afford their lavish lifestyles.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:10 pm

<3066> Thorne:

"I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it
which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run."
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:14 pm

DCB wrote:
parallel world Ned Flanders wrote:Terrorism is a hoax.

The same people who said 9/11 was an "inside job" are now blaming "Al Quaeda".

We're told that this is a "crisis". In reality it's a rhetorical battering ram used by the right to forward a political agenda. The LSM, defense contractors and crooked "analysts" do the heavy lifting.

Unfortunately, too many have taken the bait.

In the meantime, phonies like Dick Cheney and the Halliburton crooks continue to rake in cash, buy huge homes, private jets and boats while peddling this nonsense to the gullible while manipulating the political system for the cash to afford their lavish lifestyles.


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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby ilikebeans » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:15 pm

Gee, another leak of private conversations (likely taken out of context) timed nearly to the day of the first release in 2009, six days before this year's UN climate talks.

*yawn*

Ned, wake us when the scientific data actually shows that the earth isn't warming in proportion to man's output of greenhouse gases.

What's that, Ned? Skeptical climate scientists concede Earth has warmed? Brilliant!
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby kurt_w » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:26 pm

Congratulations, Ned. You're right -- the events of 9-11 were not actually a hoax!

Now, do the words in DCB's comment look at all familiar? Do you think that you might have seen them somewhere else?
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby kurt_w » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:28 pm

Since Ned can be a little dense at times, maybe this needs to be mapped out clearly for him:

    The WTC was destroyed by planes, not by explosives planted by Dick Cheney.

    Evidence-based medicine works, homeopathy doesn't.

    Vaccines do not cause autism.

    The world is 4.5 billion years old and life evolved through the processes of mutation and natural selection, not "Intelligent Design".

    Burning fossil fuels produces CO2, which absorbs infrared radiation and warms the atmosphere.

    Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, not Kenya.

    Hillary Clinton did not murder Vince Foster.

    Reality does not adjust itself to suit your ideology.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:40 pm

<3066> Thorne:

"I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it
which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run."
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:46 pm

It's simply adorable how Ned thinks repeatedly quoting a scientist who agrees that political spin should not influence the reporting of data is somehow a slam dunk for his team, instead of for the team that actually values discussion, dissension, and the scientific process.
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