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Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

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Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby Carol » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:36 am

Strokes are rising fast among young, middle-aged
Associated Press | Posted: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:22 pm

"It's definitely alarming," said Dr. Ralph Sacco, American Heart Association president and a neurologist at the University of Miami. "We have worried for a while that the increased prevalence of obesity in children and young adults may take its toll in cardiovascular disease and stroke," and that appears to be happening, he said.

http://host.madison.com/news/national/a ... e0658.html

Knowing how much these scumbags love to lie to us to make us submit to their tyranny, I decided to make a quick jaunt to the CDC database to look up the death rates from stroke. Here are the results:

Males ages 35-44, from 1999 to 2007, death rates 5.8, 5.8, 5.7, 5.3, 5.8, 5.6, 5.2, 5.3, 5.3
Males ages 45-54, from 1999 to 2007, death rates 16.7, 17.5, 16.7, 16.7, 16.7, 16.7, 16.5, 16.4, 16.2

Accessed at http://wonder.cdc.gov/cmf-icd10.html on Feb 9, 2011 10:57:57 PM
ICD-10 113 Groups: GR113-070 (Cerebrovascular diseases, including stroke)
ICD-10 Codes: I60-I69 (Cerebrovascular diseases)

It shows that the death rates in men aged 35-44 and 45-54 have declined. The death rates from stroke have been slowly declining since before the turn of the 20th century, so there is no reason to believe that this segment of the decline is due to better hospital care. Of course, the data in that hysterical propaganda piece were just HOSPITALIZATIONS, not actual deaths. So the truth is merely that more people are being hospitalized for stroke, although the rates of it have not increased.
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Re: Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby Mean Scenester » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:42 am

If the thesis is that rates of stroke are up and it's common knowledge that not all strokes result in fatality, why in the hell are you simply researching death rates by stroke to refute the original claim?

Oh ... right ... because you're flat out, flaming, batshit insane, that's why! Anything to prove your point, right, Carol? Even if it means invoking a "scientific method" that would net you an "F" on any 5th grade exam?

Your mental faculties on display here have me wondering if you haven't suffered a stroke or two yourself.
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Re: Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby narcoleptish » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:59 am

Yes, it's all lies. Looking around at the general public at any given shopping mall or buffet-style restaurant makes it clear that the American populace is in tip top shape.
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Re: Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby TheBookPolice » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:07 pm

You know what stroke should be on the rise?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLHc-yIAPbg
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Re: Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby Carol » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:32 pm

Mean Scenester wrote:If the thesis is that rates of stroke are up and it's common knowledge that not all strokes result in fatality, why in the hell are you simply researching death rates by stroke to refute the original claim?

Oh ... right ... because you're flat out, flaming, batshit insane, that's why! Anything to prove your point, right, Carol? Even if it means invoking a "scientific method" that would net you an "F" on any 5th grade exam?

Your mental faculties on display here have me wondering if you haven't suffered a stroke or two yourself.


Another example of PC civility, plus ignorance, intolerance and all your other famous civic virtues. Death rates are more reliable because death is less optional than hospitalization. Hospitalization rates are the result of hospitalization policies, and if they start admitting people who are less seriously ill, it doesn't change the outcomes as much. And, who might have an incentive to lie on purpose, as well as influence others, if not the aforementioned "Dr. Ralph Sacco, American Heart Association president and a neurologist at the University of Miami."

There's merely over 100 years of declining death rates from stroke to back me up.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtm ... 30a1f1.gif
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Re: Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby Bland » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:34 pm

Carol wrote:There's merely over 100 years of declining death rates from stroke to back me up.
Any chance the decline is due to the better healthcare provided over the last century than at any time in the history of the world? Care provided by the very medical establishment you seek to discredit?

Nah. That wouldn't make a lick of sense.
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Re: Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:40 pm

Carol wrote:Another example of PC civility, plus ignorance, intolerance and all your other famous civic virtues.

Sez the hypocrite who wishes death upon her enemies (which seems to be everyone) while cursing them out as traitors, Nazis and generalized slime.
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Re: Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby Carol » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:01 pm

Bland wrote:
Carol wrote:There's merely over 100 years of declining death rates from stroke to back me up.
Any chance the decline is due to the better healthcare provided over the last century than at any time in the history of the world? Care provided by the very medical establishment you seek to discredit?

Nah. That wouldn't make a lick of sense.


No, it wouldn't make sense, because until very recently there wasn't a damn thing they did or could do, medically speaking. However, changes in sanitation may have reduced peoples' exposure to pathogens that cause stroke.
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Re: Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby Bland » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:43 pm

Carol wrote:
Bland wrote:
Carol wrote:There's merely over 100 years of declining death rates from stroke to back me up.
Any chance the decline is due to the better healthcare provided over the last century than at any time in the history of the world? Care provided by the very medical establishment you seek to discredit?

Nah. That wouldn't make a lick of sense.

No, it wouldn't make sense, because until very recently there wasn't a damn thing they did or could do, medically speaking. However, changes in sanitation may have reduced peoples' exposure to pathogens that cause stroke.


Changes in sanitation were a direct result of increased medical knowledge. We'd still be living in our filth today if doctors hadn't explained why we shouldn't.
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Re: Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby Carol » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:18 pm

Changes in sanitation are not counted as part of the practice of medicine. You don't need trained doctors to do it.
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Re: Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby Carol » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:21 pm

Here's the whole pile. Kindly point out the "alarming" part.

Below age 20, the numbers are so low that the data are unreliable.
Men aged 20-24, 1999-2007: 0.6, 0.7, 0.7, 0.7, 0.6, 0.7, 0.6, 0.7, 0.7
Men aged 25-34, 1999-2007: 1.5, 1.5, 1.6, 1.4, 1.6, 1.4, 1.5, 1.4, 1.2
Men aged 35-44, 1999-2007: 5.8, 5.8, 5.7, 5.3, 5.8, 5.6, 5.2, 5.3, 5.3
Men aged 45-54, 1999-2007: 16.7, 17.5, 16.7, 16.7, 16.7, 16.7, 16.5, 16.4, 16.2
Men aged 65-74, 1999-2007: 147.3, 145.0, 140.4, 135.0, 127.8, 121.1, 113.6, 108.0 105.2
Men aged 75-84, 1999-2007: 500.4, 490.8, 467.3, 445.9, 431.4, 402.8, 372.9, 345.5, 333.2

For the years 1979-1998
Men aged 20-24: 1.3, 1.5, 1.2, 0.8, 1.1, 1.1, 0.9, 0.9, 0.8, 1.0, 0.8, 0.9, 0.7, 0.8, 0.6, 0.7, 0.7, 0.7, 0.7, 0.7
Men aged 25-34: 2.7, 2.6, 2.6, 2.5, 2.3, 2.3, 2.2, 2.3, 2.3, 2.4, 2.1, 2.1, 1.8, 1.9, 2.0, 1.8, 1.8, 1.7, 1.6, 1.6
Men aged 35-44: 9.5, 8.7, 8.6, 7.8, 7.4, 7.9, 7.4, 7.8, 7.5, 7.6, 7.1, 6.8, 7.1, 6.9, 6.7, 7.1, 7.0, 6.7, 6.5, 6.2
Men aged 45-54: 28.4, 27.3, 26.4, 25.4, 24.4, 24.6, 23.2, 21.8, 21.9, 21.1, 20.2, 20.5, 20.3, 19.2, 19.4, 19.9, 19.5, 19.7, 18.9, 18.1
Men aged 55-64: 79.4, 74.7, 71.6, 67.4, 66.4, 64.2, 63.5, 60.7, 60.5, 60.5, 57.0, 54.4, 52.6, 52.9, 52.2, 52.0, 52.8, 51.8, 50.6, 48.5
Men aged 65-74: 267.6, 259.2, 242.5, 228.4, 214.9, 208.3, 201.4, 189.3, 182.9, 181.9, 170.0, 166.8, 163.4, 155.4, 156.9, 155.3, 154.9, 153.4, 151.5, 144.2
Men aged 75-84: 873.0, 868.3, 786.6, 739.5, 721.0, 679.3, 661.2, 629.7, 613.2, 604.2, 565.9, 552.7, 530.2, 511.6, 524.5, 525.8, 518.7, 511.0, 491.2, 479.8
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Re: Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby Bland » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:40 am

Carol wrote:Changes in sanitation are not counted as part of the practice of medicine. You don't need trained doctors to do it.


You need trained doctors to tell you to do it the first place.
There have been sanitation engineers since at least the days of ancient Rome but the idea of cleaning water to prevent sickness is a wholly modern notion borne from the advances of medicine in general and germ theory specifically.
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Re: Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby Mean Scenester » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:18 am

Bland wrote:You need trained doctors to tell you to do it the first place. There have been sanitation engineers since at least the days of ancient Rome but the idea of cleaning water to prevent sickness is a wholly modern notion borne from the advances of medicine in general and germ theory specifically.

Balderdash!



Sorry. Just always wanted to say that.
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Re: Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby gozer » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:39 am

i'll tell u folks two things that do not cause cancer or strokes: smoking opium and chasing the dragon. on rare occasions i'll have a cigar or cigarette or five with morphine added to it -- yummy!
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Re: Health Fascists Lie About Strokes Increasing

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:00 am

jetnet22 wrote:It's all lies.Image

All? Including your statement?
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