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SLEEP TIGHT TONIGHT

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Re: SLEEP TIGHT TONIGHT

Postby peripat » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:46 pm

Iodine pills (and iodized salt) pretty much eliminated goiters . Potassium iodide used after specific exposure to radioactivity- mostly in the western US as I recall
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Re: SLEEP TIGHT TONIGHT

Postby Beaver » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:57 pm

The Wisconsin nuke operators say their power plants here are safe. We can trust them, right? Don't worry about it. Oh wait, then why did they say this:

"Managers of both plants said they work closely with surrounding communities to make sure everyone is up to date with emergency plans."

http://www.channel3000.com/news/27205188/detail.html
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Re: SLEEP TIGHT TONIGHT

Postby snoqueen » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:34 pm

Is a certain amount of hydrogen needed before it is combustible? Would some kind of a periodic ignition system be possible that would ignite the hydrogen in smaller, less damaging "puffs" in times of emergency such as this?


According to NPR tonight, the structure around one of the remaining troubled reactors was partly removed for just this reason -- to prevent the hydrogen from building up inside and periodically exploding.
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Re: SLEEP TIGHT TONIGHT

Postby MadMind75 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:19 pm

kurt_w wrote:MadMind's post to the contrary, earthquakes are not really a concern...

Aww c'mon now kurt, here I go to the trouble of plagiarizing material from Wikipedia to fan the flames of paranoia, and here you go and quell them with one fell swoop a few posts later!

Playing the part of agitator; "But kurt, what if a nuclear reactor near the new madrid seismic zone is affected by a massive earthquake and goes into meltdown mode, could the radiation reach Wisconsin???"
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Re: SLEEP TIGHT TONIGHT

Postby MadMind75 » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:06 pm

Are there any nuclear power plants within 50 miles of the center of the new madrid seismic zone?
Say there was a strong earthquake and initiated a meltdown in a nearby plant, and radiation leaked into the Mississippi. Yes, the river flows south, but "Three earthquakes in 1811 and 1812, estimated at approximately 8 on the Richter magnitude scale, were said to have temporarily reversed the course of the Mississippi." A radioactive Mississip' could then theoretically affect Wisconsin.
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Re: SLEEP TIGHT TONIGHT

Postby Nick Berigan » Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:26 am

I'm pretty sure that a current reversal did not impact 1000 miles of river and that was probably before they had those funny things called locks and damns.

But I think the conversation about earthquakes in the midwest misses the mark. The kind of time periods we're talking about power plant sites being hot for (no on has yet scrubbed a post-production site to the point where it is gets sold to open a Dairy Queen) has to make us think about what Rumsfield might call the things we don't know we don't know.

If dangers exists for, say a couple of hundred years, do we know that things like electric power will be continuously available at that site over that period of time to maintain safety? Will civil society exist so that safeguard mechanisms stay in place?
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Re: SLEEP TIGHT TONIGHT

Postby doppel » Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:38 am

Bingo. There is virtually no chance of an earthquake disrupting the power supply to the cooling systems. These reactors are forty years old. They are all past their original design life span.

But their operating licenses have all been extended another twenty years, until at least 2029 and up 2032. On February 2,1976 , three G.E. engineers, Gregory C. Minor, Richard B. Hubbard, and Dale G. Bridenbaugh "blew the whistle" on safety problems at boiling water nuclear power plants. They felt "the design did not take into account the dynamic loads that could be experienced with a loss of coolant". They resigned in protest.

Who knows how the power supply could be interrupted by accident? What about on purpose? There are people in this world staying up nights just dreaming up new shit to do to us.

Once again "there is no job so simple it cannot be done wrong". And designing and operating nuclear power plants ain't even simple.
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Re: SLEEP TIGHT TONIGHT

Postby snoqueen » Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:26 pm

An example of an unpredictable and uncontrollable disaster would be flying a plane into a nuclear reactor. This used to be extremely far-fetched and no longer is.

We need to 1) decentralize our power generation system, and 2) realize how vulnerable our power distribution grid is to disruption both human-caused and natural. In Japan, we can already see the extensive effects a disaster has on their economy, transit, food-availability, water, gasoline, medical, and much more. The very least we can do is empower emergency-preparedness officials at every level, from local to county to state, to draw up plans for various types of disasters. Even if we are not prepared for the exact disaster that occurs, people's awareness and personal planning would be enhanced and some regional support might be in place.
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Re: SLEEP TIGHT TONIGHT

Postby KidCapitol » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:00 pm

I dunno if we're ever going to wake up to using less deadly energy sources.
We won't in our lifetimes or until the resources are about bone dry. Whichever comes first.

If soldiers are still going overseas to murder children of a country for the oil, not once but twice and re-occuring massive oil spills (Exxon Valdez, BP in the Gulf) and nuclear power plant disasters (3 Mi. Ilse, Cherynobil, Japan) and the annual coal mining disaster, why change?

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
And not only are we insane but we are asleep at the wheel for changing to safer energy means.

I swear, humans really are the dumbest species on the planet.
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