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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby David Blaska » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:12 pm

No, no, no, Mr. Thispen. The preceding graph does not posit a per/household number but an absolute, inflation-adjusted increase in spending.
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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby TheBookPolice » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:15 pm

It's amusing to consider the forons DB chooses to engage, and those he ignores.
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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby David Blaska » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:17 pm

While spending on schools has increased over 200%
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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby jonnygothispen » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:18 pm

Where did these debts originate?

What programs are costing so much?

Why is there such a huge lack of revenue?

What irresponsible spending in the past raised these debts to the unbelievable highs of today?

Or in your view, how can we blame Obama for what really is mostly Republican negligence, spending and wealth redistribution?

I shouldn't even be here, to be honest. Brick walls offer more in the way of intellectual theory.
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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby David Blaska » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:20 pm

TheBookPolice wrote:It's amusing to consider the forons DB chooses to engage, and those he ignores.
Bring something to the table and maybe I will.
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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby David Blaska » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:26 pm

jonnygothispen wrote:I shouldn't even be here, to be honest.


Echoing Warren G. Harding, "I never should have been here." I'm offering facts and statistics, you offer - 0 - more than insults. Now, some more stats, Mr. Thispen:

Since taking office 31 months ago, Barack Obama has taken on $7 trillion in debt but has 2.5 million fewer jobs. That's according to Politico.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60640.html#ixzz1UT18gkew
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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby supaunknown » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:28 pm

DaveyB, which conservative thunk tank are you going to post a graph from next? My guess: John Birch Society
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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby David Blaska » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:29 pm

And Thispen's answer is "Keep spending more money!"
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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby David Blaska » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:33 pm

supaunknown wrote:DaveyB, which conservative thunk tank are you going to post a graph from next? My guess: John Birch Society


Is there a Forum rule that prevents you from posting your own statistics or is banging on a 5-gallon plastic bucket more your style?
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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby jjoyce » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:42 pm

David Blaska wrote:Your mistake is to think that M'F-ing teenagers on the basketball court behave like cello players on the darkened streets of night.


What's funny is I grew up around some cello players (actually, classical string bass and violin) on the mean streets of suburban Minneapolis who did a lot worse on the "darkened streets of night" than cuss in parks.

I see you working here though. You want to make it seem like I don't object to bad behavior. To review: you believe it's justified to destructively remove recreational equipment from a park when some kids who use it swear. People will remember that I objected to these tactics, as did many others here. I took it a step further and suggested engaging the kids in a discussion, perhaps serving refreshments to establish rapport, a notion you continue to scoff at... over two years later.

It was interesting to see what they're doing in Meadowood Park this summer, where there's a free drop-in summer camp and, on Saturdays, a football league. Another thing my neighbors are doing in Meadowood is taking neighborhood walks and rewarding kids they see acting positively. They're also making improvements to the park, believing I'm sure that if you attract more kids there, it becomes the ideal place to have positive interactions with them.

I was lucky enough to grow up in a house with a mom and a dad who paid for me to play sports and participate in other activities were I was around coaches, scoutmasters and other mentors. Kids who grow up in crappy households with toxic parents obviously don't have such opportunities. You think we should take the basketball away, but I think we should have someone who is well trained in dealing with at-risk kids go the the park and use it as a point of entry to intervene. Conservatives should be able to see that investing in youth this way is much cheaper in the long haul than pushing them through the criminal justice system and locking them up.

What's interesting is that in the worst parts of Milwaukee (northeast of North Ave. and 30th Street, for one), you're not likely to find many basketball hoops or recreational opportunities of any type. That's just one of the many symptoms of that perpetually troubled city, which carries the dubious distinction of being America's most segregated.
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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby David Blaska » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:50 pm

Milwaukee, a city firmly under Democrat control since 1960 and before that, as Comrade Nichols will tell you, under Socialists since about 1910. Amusing to see the Forons blaming George W. Bush!

Now, Jason, are you discounting the rash of Madison muggings since April involving boys 14 and older?

I am saying that people own their own safety and that adults do not have the luxury or the option to subcontract the comity of their neighborhoods to third parties, including the police. Because, as Wilson and Kelling have noted, the police are no longer responsible for maintaing order; they are instead the intake mechanism for the criminal justice system.

I have suggested that we do what Bill Cosby and others have suggested and that is to do as our fathers' generation did and take back our neighborhoods.
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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby TheBookPolice » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:56 pm

Don't encourage more kids to use the park--make sure fewer kids can use the park.

Don't keep more people out of prison--put more people in prison.

Don't increase access to employment benefits and health care to those who don't have collective bargaining--oppose collective bargaining for those who do have it, and oppose all universal healthcare.

Sensing a trend here? It's called "A Rising Tide Sinks All Boats Because We've Anchored Them Down. Also, Only Little Boats Will Be Anchored. After All, There's Expensive Carpet In Those Big Boats That Needs To Stay Dry."
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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby supaunknown » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:00 pm

David Blaska wrote:
supaunknown wrote:DaveyB, which conservative thunk tank are you going to post a graph from next? My guess: John Birch Society

Is there a Forum rule that prevents you from posting your own statistics or is banging on a 5-gallon plastic bucket more your style?

I think you're onto something - just post your own statistics. I'm sure they're fine. Fact-checking is for non-partison suckers anyways. Pick a side and stick to it. Irrefutable evidence contradicting your viewpoint is only deniable if you agree with it, dig?
I'm not sure what you're asking with the bucket question. Is the bucket the preferred weapon of your enemy? And the beat goes on ...
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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby jman111 » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:02 pm

David Blaska wrote:...take back our neighborhoods.

Vigilante Blaska to the rescue! What could possibly go wrong?
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Re: Racist attack @ Milwaukee State Fair

Postby David Blaska » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:05 pm

TheBookPolice wrote:Don't encourage more kids to use the park--make sure fewer kids can use the park.


Do you REALLY think more people use the parks when it's M-F this and M-F that? Or when vagrants are getting their joneses on?

Even Madison has noted that the mothers with baby trams leave under such conditions; neighbors put up fences and lock the doors. Those who can move out to the suburban streets of Jason's youth.

One of the conditions for using public spaces like the parks and our bike paths is to play nice. That is not too much to ask, folks. That is not too much to demand. And not demanding does no favors for the gang bangers at State Fair park or the young muggers in Madison. It just kicks the can down the road until something more serious happens.

My liberal acquaintances, if you have statistics to the contrary please post them.
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