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The Sperm Count Crisis!

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The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby rabble » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:46 am

Scientists Warn of Sperm Count Crisis
The reproductive health of the average male is in sharp decline, the world's largest study of the quality and concentration of sperm has found.

Between 1989 and 2005, average sperm counts fell by a third in the study of 26,000 men, increasing their risk of infertility. The amount of healthy sperm was also reduced, by a similar proportion.

The article goes on to list things you can do raise your own sperm count.

My question, like many of the commenters, is why do we want to? Why would it be a bad thing to have lower sperm counts planet wide?
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Re: The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby kurt_w » Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:34 pm

Well, obviously it's fine up until someone wants to have a baby, at which point it becomes problematic.
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Re: The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby rabble » Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:40 pm

kurt_w wrote:Well, obviously it's fine up until someone wants to have a baby, at which point it becomes problematic.

And why is that a problem? Why should every somebody who wants a baby have one?
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Re: The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby kurt_w » Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:47 pm

I'm not sure that "every somebody who wants a baby should have one". Whether there are people who want babies but shouldn't have them is an interesting question but I'm not going to go there.

But if you believe that there are some people who shouldn't have babies, reducing sperm counts globally is a blunt instrument for your goal. It won't differentiate well among potential good vs bad parents.

Now, if you think that nobody should have babies, then it's not a problem.
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Re: The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby rabble » Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:04 pm

We got just under 7 billion people out there.

In my own humble opinion, the time for something other than a blunt instrument has come and gone. Choice and merit are luxuries.
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Re: The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby wack wack » Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:13 pm

rabble wrote:My question, like many of the commenters, is why do we want to? Why would it be a bad thing to have lower sperm counts planet wide?


Because thoughtless adherence to the religious foundations of our youth prevent many from entertaining an idea other than, "children good." The BAH-BLE SAYS SO!

Perhaps God is issuing lower sperm counts because he's finally tired of what we're doing to his favorite marble. This isn't in the book, though.
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Re: The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby kurt_w » Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:15 pm

rabble wrote:We got just under 7 billion people out there.

In my own humble opinion, the time for something other than a blunt instrument has come and gone. Choice and merit are luxuries.


OK, I misinterpreted where you were going with that. Sorry.
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Re: The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby david cohen » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:44 pm

could this be a classic free will vs. determinism argument? or maybe a purely Darwinistic one? As sperm counts fall, receptive women will naturally seek out men with higher sperm counts to keep the species alive? Crisis? What crisis!?
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Re: The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby Michael Patrick » Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:18 pm

Goddamn it, it is a crisis! Between 1989 and 2005 my count dropped to zero!!!




Of course, I had a vasectomy during that period.
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Re: The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby peripat » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:18 pm

Just Gaia's way of protecting herself- can't argue with success
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Re: The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby snoqueen » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:43 pm

Now, if you think that nobody should have babies, then it's not a problem.


Making a baby doesn't take a kazillion sperm. It just takes one.

I agree we have too many people. Reducing the number not being born is less problematic than knocking off a percentage of the already-born ones.

Maybe this is an argument for the existence of a benevolent god, though not a very compelling one.
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Re: The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:34 am

So males with a medical condition don't have the same right to father children as other males?

Not that I disagree with the "who cares" sentiment. We do have a population issue, but this line of reasoning could just as easily be applied to infant mortality, or medical coverage for the elderly (or really anyone who is has a potentially terminal illness). Improved medical services, healthier living conditions as well as better food production (over all) are all contributing factors in a higher population. Should we stop looking for ways to improve these things for all citizens if the world?
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Re: The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby kurt_w » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:00 pm

snoqueen wrote:
Now, if you think that nobody should have babies, then it's not a problem.

Making a baby doesn't take a kazillion sperm. It just takes one.


That's true in a deterministic sense, but not in a statistical sense.
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Re: The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby rabble » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:20 pm

Francis Di Domizio wrote: this line of reasoning could just as easily be applied to infant mortality, or medical coverage for the elderly (or really anyone who is has a potentially terminal illness). Improved medical services, healthier living conditions as well as better food production (over all) are all contributing factors in a higher population. Should we stop looking for ways to improve these things for all citizens if the world?

So, let me see if I understand your line of reasoning.

A. We have a low sperm count crisis.
B. There is an overpopulation population crisis
Therefore, we should stop providing medical services because healing people is the same thing as having too many babies.
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Re: The Sperm Count Crisis!

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:24 pm

rabble wrote:So, let me see if I understand your line of reasoning.


Clearly you don't
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