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Re: This missing plane

Postby david cohen » Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:37 pm

Huckleby wrote:
david cohen wrote:Time to call in Tattoo from Fantasy Island! Oh wait, he's dead...carry on....

He's alive and well in our hearts.
Tattoo already made one appearance in this thread, but I hope he is evoked many more times, at this point it's the best we got.



I gotta admit I liked Tattoo better in The Man With The Golden Gun:)
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Re: This missing plane

Postby kurt_w » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:49 am

david cohen wrote:This is the most sane evaluation I've read yet:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh ... ical-fire/


Yes.

I'm not sure that explanation really fits well with all the facts. But there's a lot to be said for very simple straightforward explanations rather than increasingly elaborate ones.

I still think this scenario is possible, though it would require that some of the other "facts" that have come to light lately (like the Inmarsat signal analysis) would have to turn out to be erroneous.
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Re: This missing plane

Postby narcoleptish » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:31 am

david cohen wrote:This is the most sane evaluation I've read yet:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh ... ical-fire/


That very logical theory seems to go well with where Courtney Love believes the plane may be.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... e-20140317

How wonderful would that be?
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Re: This missing plane

Postby snoqueen » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:54 am

I like this explanation because it takes into consideration what is NOT present:

-- any claims of responsibility from groups who might have deliberately hijacked the plane;

-- any clear evidence of instability on the part of the pilot and co pilot;

-- any motivation by anyone else to destroy the plane;

-- any usable communications data from anyone on the plane.

The conclusions may finally turn out to be ones reached by eliminating all other explanations, more than ones reached on the basis of positive physical evidence.

But we're not there yet, because a lot of classified security information from countries in the area is slowly being shared. The countries involved are secretive, defensive, and apparently not all that sophisticated about coordinating and using the technology at hand. I still think somewhere out there is the key, or more keys.
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Re: This missing plane

Postby kurt_w » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:05 am

snoqueen wrote:The countries involved are secretive, defensive, and apparently not all that sophisticated about coordinating and using the technology at hand.

The latter point is a good one. Nobody, certainly not Thailand and Malaysia, have much experience trying to reconstruct the path of a 777 that vanishes when its transponder is shut down while still airborne over a remote area. This is a (unfortunate) learning experience for everyone -- politicians and electrical engineers alike.

I am a bit surprised that more hasn't been produced on the signals-processing front in the past few days. The Inmarsat analysis was really exciting ... and then it seemed to hit a dead end.
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Re: This missing plane

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:47 am

Recent files from the pilot's flight simulator were deleted. The FBI is assisting in trying to retrieve the missing data. Maybe this will shed some light on what actually happened.
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Re: This missing plane

Postby kurt_w » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:58 am

I really don't know what to make of this:

Lost Jet’s Path Seen as Altered via Computer

It includes this map, which seems to have a surprisingly specific search area identified, compared to the two long arcs in the previous map:

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Re: This missing plane

Postby david cohen » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:44 pm

Unless the flight simulator showed the pilot was practicing landing a 777 on a short field runway....one other interesting scenario I've heard today has the Malaysian Air Force shooting down an unknown plane in their airspace and covering that up. These Malays seem so inept I can't see them hitting the broad side of a barn, but stranger things have happened.
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Re: This missing plane

Postby kurt_w » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:47 am

After a week of increasingly outre' theories, people seem to be coming back to the idea that it was just some mechanical failure that gave the pilots just enough time to change course towards the nearest large airport before they became incapacitated, leaving the plane to continue on autopilot out across the Indian Ocean until it ran out of fuel and crashed.

If the wreckage spotted at this new search site turns out to be from MH370 I hope they manage to recover the black box. It'd be nice to know what happened.
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Re: This missing plane

Postby snoqueen » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:20 am

Having read the article linked earlier that featured another experienced pilot's take on what might have occurred aboard the now-missing plane, I had another thought regarding this morning's news:

Perhaps the last changes the pilot made to his flight path were not (or not only) an emergency attempt to reach an alternative place to land, but were an intentional calculation to have the disabled plane, flying by then without human control, land in wide open waters where no additional people would be struck where it crashed.

If so, it definitely restores the pilot's reputation posthumously.
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Re: This missing plane

Postby ilikebeans » Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:16 pm

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Re: This missing plane

Postby kurt_w » Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:21 pm

In my experience, if you have to ask "Is this preposterous?" it probably is.
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Re: This missing plane

Postby Stebben84 » Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:26 pm

And this is why I don't watch any cable news.
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Re: This missing plane

Postby Dangerousman » Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:56 pm

kurt_w wrote:I really don't know what to make of this:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7fchtEJpy8
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Re: This missing plane

Postby Beaver » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:18 pm

It was no accident. Clearly the pilot did it, possibly with help of others.

-the left turn off course was pre-programmed
-the left turn began before their last communication "All right, good night"
-the left turn happened soon after it left Malaysian air space
-the plane rose to 45,000 ft which would knock out or suffocate anyone not wearing an oxygen mask
-no communication was made after the left turn
-the transponders were turned off
-the plane flew for at least 5 hours off course and did not go straight so was not on auto (so was not a zombie or ghost plane).
-Elevation was 20,000 to 22,000 which is below radar
-the flight was in the middle of the night so few people on ground could have seen it
-the pilot had a home flight simulator with files deleted
-the pilot's wife and kids moved out of his home the day before
-the pilot's cousin lost the presidential election last year. The pilot said "democracy is dead".
-the pilot was bald with a smirk on his face. What more evidence do you need?

It was meticulously planned not a random accident.
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