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This recent wave of bombings shows...

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This recent wave of bombings shows...

That the insurgents are getting desperate
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That the insurgency is winding down
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That freedom is on the march
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That freedom is on the march
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That freedom isn't free
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That we've run out of slogans
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This recent wave of bombings shows...

Postby pjbogart » Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:08 am

So, now that we've set up a beautiful situation where al-qaeda can take over an oil rich country, I suppose we're stuck in Iraq indefinitely. If we leave, we'll have the madness of Bin Laden with the cash reserves of the Saudi royal family. But we can't let the American people know that we're there indefinitely, can we? So when do we come up with some new excuses?
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Postby Michael Patrick » Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:23 am

Of course it means we are winning and the insurgents are getting desperate. No other interpretation is possible.
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Postby Mike S. » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:40 am

That's silly. There's no threat of "al qaida" selling Iraqi oil and getting rich. If a couple of Iraqi holdouts can sabotage U.S. workings in Iraq, just imagine what a cruise missile a day can do to stop oil tankers and pipelines!

I still think they should have been happy with the complete separation of Iraq into autonomous governments, since at least then we'd have Kurds and Marsh Arabs and maybe even Shiites on our side, and to hell with what the Turks say. Any all-Iraq government should be a weak federation at most.
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Yay for Kurdistan!

Postby Richard S. Russell » Sun May 01, 2005 11:21 pm

Mike S. wrote:I still think they should have been happy with the complete separation of Iraq into autonomous governments, since at least then we'd have Kurds and Marsh Arabs and maybe even Shiites on our side, and to hell with what the Turks say.

Actually, if the US subsidized moving expenses for everyone who wanted to relocate (way cheaper than what we're doing now), a trifurcation would work just slick, and we could convince the Turks to support it because we'd pay to expatriate all their Kurds who wanted to move across the border to their new homeland. Not sure who'd get all the oil reserves, tho.
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Re: Yay for Kurdistan!

Postby Mike S. » Mon May 02, 2005 12:57 am

Richard S. Russell wrote:Actually, if the US subsidized moving expenses for everyone who wanted to relocate (way cheaper than what we're doing now), a trifurcation would work just slick, and we could convince the Turks to support it because we'd pay to expatriate all their Kurds who wanted to move across the border to their new homeland. Not sure who'd get all the oil reserves, tho.


Well, that's the beauty of a really weak federation - you could make the oil reserves "national" with a predefined split, and any autonomous region/state claiming true and absolute nationhood or joining another nation would lose out on the profits. I was picturing that certain oilfields and the most godforsaken desert out on the west of the country might remain national lands, the Um Qasr port would remain a special federal region under lease to the British, etc. It all seemed to make perfect sense - pity it had nothing to do with what really happened.

Above all else, it would have been nice to officially set the Kurds up right, so that Americans could point to thus-and-such a group that helped them that actually WON BIG in the long term and didn't end up as boat people or something.
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