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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby DCB » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:03 am

Last year "marked the warmest year on record for the contiguous United States," the National Climatic Data Center just confirmed.
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That's "3.2°F above the 20th century average, and 1.0°F above 1998, the previous warmest year."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... -48-states

Breaking the previous record by a full degree? that's a big fucking deal.

Meanwhile the Very Serious People are focused on the Very Serious Issues - is Hillary's haircut is going to help her in the next presidential election?

In Four Years, Sunday Shows Have Not Quoted A Single Scientist On Climate Change. Of those who were asked about climate change on the Sunday shows, 54 percent were media figures, 31 percent were politicians and not one was a scientist or climate expert.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby O.J. » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:09 am

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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby rabble » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:42 am

And Australia's bushfires can be seen from space.

140 fires in New South Wales alone. Five out of six states are fighting fires during a record heat wave.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby doppel » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:43 pm

Meanwhile(somehow missed by the popular U.S. media):

Russia is experiencing its coldest winter for half a century.

Dec 21st. Emergency declared for entire Altai region in Siberia. Coldest December ever on record with temps from -36C to -45C. Coldest month ever for Siberia.

Dec 29th Russia sees -50C temps. 180miles of roads in the Far East region blocked by 16+ feet of snow. Machines can not reach roads to clear them. Meterologist say it is the coldest start to winter in decades.

Oct-Dec Poland. 66 people dead due to exposure of extreme cold.

Dec 25th. 44 Cities in Japan record record lows. Hokkaido Japan records the lowest ever temperature ever recorded in the entire country at -28.4 Degrees

Jan 2nd. New Delhi records coldest day in 44 years. 15 people reported dead.

Oct-Dec Poland....66 people dead due to exposure of extreme cold.

Closer to home:

Jan 1st. The University of Alaska Fairbanks reports that the Alaskan peninsula saw an avg yearly temp drop of 2.4 Degrees overall from the years of 2000-2009.

Also Jan 1st. The Ice Roads of Canada made famous by the show Ice Road Truckers will be opening 1 month ahead of schedule due to extreme cold that have frozen the roads well ahead of normal.

58.6% of the lower 48 is now snow covered.

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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby DCB » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:52 pm

doppel wrote:Meanwhile(somehow missed by the popular U.S. media):

Russia is experiencing its coldest winter for half a century.

lots of extreme weather events all over the globe, as predicted by climate change.

p.s. do you have a source for the data in your post?
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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby Madsci » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:34 pm

If we get another summer like the last one, I worry about the reliability of our agricultural system.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby jonnygothispen » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:08 pm

http://www.news.wisc.edu/16083
Thus, the accumulation of greenhouse gases over the past few thousands of years, the Wisconsin-Virginia team argue, is very likely forestalling the onset of a new glacial cycle, such as have occurred at regular 100,000-year intervals during the last million years. Each glacial period has been paced by regular and predictable changes in the orbit of the Earth known as Milankovitch cycles, a mechanism thought to kick start glacial cycles.

"We're at a very favorable state right now for increased glaciation," says Kutzbach. "Nature is favoring it at this time in orbital cycles, and if humans weren't in the picture it would probably be happening today."
... at the same time man made sources are warming the Earth, Earth is entering a cooling "glacial" orbit.

That may explain the unpredictable weather, and also why most of the Earth is warming, while the surface temperature of the Antarctic is cooler than normal.

The Arctic has the highest levels of CO2 on Earth, and is warming at the fastest rate, while the Antarctic has the lowest levels of CO2 and is the only place that's cooler than normal (that I know of) as an annual average. We've lost record amounts of ice in the Arctic, yet the Antarctic has lost more ice because of warmer ocean currents. The ocean changes temperatures at much slower rates than the atmosphere, so it's a more accurate measure in that way.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby rabble » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:19 pm

Madsci wrote:If we get another summer like the last one, I worry about the reliability of our agricultural system.

This summer's drought has done the same thing to hay bales as the current scrap metal prices have done for copper wire at construction sites.
In Tillman County, Okla., hay thefts became so rampant that Sheriff Bobby Whittington decided to lay a trap. He bugged a bale in a particularly theft-prone field with a GPS unit and set to waiting, sure that thieves would strike. Sure enough, his phone rang one night in March last year with the news that the tracking device was on the move.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby johnfajardohenry » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:59 pm

DCB wrote:In Four Years, Sunday Shows Have Not Quoted A Single Scientist On Climate Change. Of those who were asked about climate change on the Sunday shows, 54 percent were media figures, 31 percent were politicians and not one was a scientist or climate expert.
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1) How much global warming has there been since 1900 or so to present? (Degrees C or F)

2) How much global warming has there been between 1998 and present (C or F)

3) How accurate/precise are the measurements? (+/-) how many degrees C or F)

4) Have the climate scientists, in the past 20-30 years, been right about any of their predictions? If so which one(s)? For example, about the polar ice cap disappearing in 2012.

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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby johnfajardohenry » Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:05 pm

And in other climate news:

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The New York Times will close its environment desk in the next few weeks and assign its seven reporters and two editors to other departments. The positions of environment editor and deputy environment editor are being eliminated. No decision has been made about the fate of the Green Blog, which is edited from the environment desk.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... nment-desk

I wonder if this has anything to do with Al-Gore telling us that it is OK not to worry about global warming, that he has gotten his payout and the scam is over.

Perhaps it is just a coincidence.

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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby johnfajardohenry » Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:10 pm

Madsci wrote:If we get another summer like the last one, I worry about the reliability of our agricultural system.


It is "the 15th driest year on record". 15th. (According to the link from the NPR report)

That means that there have been 14 worse ones and we made it through OK.

Also, all (most?) of the other 14 occurred in the 1930s and 1950s before we had global warming. So why do you think this one has anything to do with global warming?

I get the impression that you think a single dry year is a trend. Could you explain why, please?

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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby DCB » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:01 pm

johnfajardohenry wrote:
DCB wrote:In Four Years, Sunday Shows Have Not Quoted A Single Scientist On Climate Change. Of those who were asked about climate change on the Sunday shows, 54 percent were media figures, 31 percent were politicians and not one was a scientist or climate expert.


1) How much global warming has there been since 1900 or so to present? (Degrees C or F)
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John,
Kurt has done a fantastic job of responding to your various questions
here. I share his opinion that discussions of the science belong in a separate Headlines thread.

Relevant to this thread, though, is that these questions are not being discussed in a serious way in the public discouse. How hard would it be for David Gregory or George Stephanopolous to get an actual climate scientist on their shows? Maybe it would take take them out of their comfort zone to talk about actual facts. But it should be common knowledge that greenhouse gases are causing a measurable increase in global temperature.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby rabble » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:06 pm

John's doing a great job of arguing the lack of rain part without mentioning that 2012 was the hottest year ever on record which is a much more difficult point to argue against the global warming controversy.

At least, I THINK he's trying to argue against global warming. He might be just arguing in his spare time.

And can't continue the argument until he gets paid.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby DCB » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:54 am

Volcanoes have been mitigating global warming:
The significant portion of the radiative forcing due to increases in stratospheric aerosol from 2000 to 2010, interpreted as a mechanism of global cooling [Solomon et al., 2011], may now be completely attributed to volcanic sources and should not be considered a trend.

http://my.firedoglake.com/weatherdem/20 ... -slowdown/

The problem is, the volcanoes are not consistent.

Obviously we need to activate more volcanoes to counter-act global warming.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Kaught

Postby DCB » Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:29 am

Yet another "warmest ever" report. The headlines say "warmest year in 4000 years", but the graph shows something much worse:

"What's different is the rate of change," said Shaun Marcott, a paleoclimatologist at Oregon State and lead author of the paper. "What we've seen over the past 150 years is much greater than anything we saw in the past 11,000 years."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... lenews_wsj
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