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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby ilikebeans » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:15 pm

I'm sure most of you have already read about Morlino's new crackdown on nuns embracing "New Age" thought.

I figured, ok, they're probably objecting to use of energy crystals, holistic healing, listening to Yanni-- you know, the standard New Age bullshit.

But of course, this is coming from the pro-league of bullshit-slinging, the Catholic Church, and specifically, Bishop Morlino. Let's see what they actually object to, shall we?

The memo says Morlino has "grave concerns" about the women's teachings, specifically that they "espouse certain views" flowing from such movements as "New Ageism" and "indifferentism." The latter, according to the memo, is "the belief that no one religion or philosophy is superior to another."

[...] The sisters embrace "the wisdom found in other religious traditions."

And, my personal favorite entry for "let's show the world we're really not all that different from conservative Islam":

Among the descriptions of New Ageism listed in the memo is that it involves a “paradigm shift” away “from a dominance of masculinity and patriarchy to a celebration of femininity, in individuals and in society.”
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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby snoqueen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:48 pm

You betcha. He comes from the old school: women are to be subservient to men, Christianity is the only way for people to get "saved" (kept out of hell in some permanent afterlife, I guess), and what the bishop says rules. Make no mistake about it.

I love reading about these women -- they're creative, courageous, and committed to social good -- but I can't for the life of me figure out why they stay in that organization. Religious tradition is powerful in ways the rest of us cannot fathom.
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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby gargantua » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:47 pm

snoqueen wrote:I love reading about these women -- they're creative, courageous, and committed to social good


And that is why the Bishop needs to keep them in their place. As much as many of us see this as unfathomable, chauvinistic tyranny, that is literally his job. I was raised Catholic so I can fathom it. I remember being told as a five year old to steer clear of non-Catholic friends....they weren't going to heaven like us Catholics were. When you think about it, it is quite like some other religions in that regard. How can they hold onto you if you can go get "saved" in some other religion? Exclusivity is a big part of the con.
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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby Average Joe » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:10 pm

Religion is like the Yellow Pages. Still around in some odd way. You find a copy on your front stairs once or twice a year but quickly discard it to the recycling bin. You know it exists on the web but never go to it. It's existence has become irrelevant, but it insists on continuing to exist. Some still go to yellowpages.com out of some sense of loyalty, but even those people know they are still going to verify the info with google maps.
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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:56 pm

It isn't just businesses owned by the Catholic Church that object to mandated coverage for contraceptives:

Judge halts contraceptive mandate for Domino's Farms Corp.

The founder of Domino's Pizza won't be subject to a new federal healthcare law requiring contraception coverage while a lawsuit he filed challenging the new mandate is pending, a judge has ruled.

U.S. District Court Judge Lawrence P. Zatkoff of the Eastern District of Michigan on Thursday granted an emergency motion by Tom Monaghan to temporarily halt the enforcement of the federal Health and Human Services mandate.

Monaghan, a devout Roman Catholic, and the Domino's Farms Corp., sued the federal government alleging the law violates their rights and has asked the court to strike it down.


What's next, business owners who object to blood transfusion coverage because their religion forbids that life saving procedure?
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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby rabble » Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:05 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:What's next, business owners who object to blood transfusion coverage because their religion forbids that life saving procedure?

That argument is just as solid as saying that gay marriage will lead to people marrying livestock. I wonder how they'll counter it.
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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby Detritus » Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:15 pm

rabble wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:What's next, business owners who object to blood transfusion coverage because their religion forbids that life saving procedure?

That argument is just as solid as saying that gay marriage will lead to people marrying livestock. I wonder how they'll counter it.

I would imagine Jehovah's Witnesses and Christian Scientists might disagree with you on that particular comparison.
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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby rabble » Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:13 pm

Detritus wrote:
rabble wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:What's next, business owners who object to blood transfusion coverage because their religion forbids that life saving procedure?

That argument is just as solid as saying that gay marriage will lead to people marrying livestock. I wonder how they'll counter it.

I would imagine Jehovah's Witnesses and Christian Scientists might disagree with you on that particular comparison.

You're right. It's a lot more solid than the gay marriage/livestock argument, seeing as how there are recognized religions who subscribe to those beliefs.

That IS what you meant, right?
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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby Detritus » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:18 pm

rabble wrote:That IS what you meant, right?

On the nose.
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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby DCB » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:41 pm

Another idiot who wants to impose his religious beliefs on his employees:
After losing a last-minute appeal to the Supreme Court, craft stores chain Hobby Lobby said it would defy a federal healthcare mandate requiring employers to provide their workers with insurance that covers emergency contraceptives.


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-h ... 7683.story

Hey, I can decide for myself what's constitutional!
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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby johnfajardohenry » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:54 pm

DCB wrote:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-h ... 7683.story

Hey, I can decide for myself what's constitutional!


Domino's Pizza today got an injunction that says they do not have to provide contraception.

As for the Constitution, what about the First Amendment?

And as for Obamatax, I thought businesses could opt out and just pay the penalty. It kind of screws the employees but that may be the price of complying with the law.

I suspect that we will see many doing this.

Then there are the companies like McDonalds, Walmart and 300 or so others who have gotten waivers from Obamatax. Are they required to cover contraception? Anybody know?

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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby fennel » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:14 pm

johnfajardohenry wrote:Domino's Pizza today got an injunction that says they do not have to provide contraception.
Nope. Domino's Farms Corp. Thomas Monaghan sold off the pizza business to make doubly sure he would never, ever, pass through the eye of a needle.

Now his agenda is to prove to the world that he's richer than God.
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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby johnfajardohenry » Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:49 pm

fennel wrote:
johnfajardohenry wrote:Domino's Pizza today got an injunction that says they do not have to provide contraception.
Nope. Domino's Farms Corp. Thomas Monaghan sold off the pizza business to make doubly sure he would never, ever, pass through the eye of a needle.

Now his agenda is to prove to the world that he's richer than God.


I stand corrected on the company.

However, my point remains the same. A federal court has said that the company can't be forced to pay for contraception.

Going back and looking at several stories about this I noticed that they all led off with something along the lines of "Thomas Monaghan, founder of Domino's Pizza...' and seemed to be trying to give the impression that the ruling was about Dominos Pizza. It was only at the very bottom of the articles that they mentioned that it was Domino Farms which appears to be an office park and not even a farm.

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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby pjbogart » Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:00 am

johnfajardohenry wrote:I stand corrected on the company.


And you're going to trust that one source??? Over on Newsmax they're reporting that Huma Abedin, known terrorist conspirator and prominent member of the Muslim Brotherhood, was seen leaving Domino's farm with a meat lover's pizza absolutely covered in pork! I think you can draw a lot of conclusions from that.

Obama doesn't want you to know that Domino's Pizza got a waiver on contraceptive coverage and he killed 20 first-graders to distract our lazy media so they wouldn't realize that Obamacare is actually a socialist plot to turn Florida into a concentration camp for political dissidents. That's why the Social Security Administration has been stockpiling hollow point bullets! And he's bypassing congressional approval by laundering Venezuelan oil revenues through FEMA and using the Hurricane Sandy bill as a slush fund to bribe the Supreme Court into declaring the Constitution unconstitutional so he can take away your guns!

It's an elaborate jigsaw puzzle, but all of the pieces are here... you just need to put them in the right spots. Hugo Chavez, cancer, Kim Kardashian's giant ass, the Muslim Brotherhood, the microphone sewn into the back of your couch. I'm pretty sure they're related, but you should probably start with the microphone. Check the lamps too. They like to put them there.
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Re: The Catholic Church, health care and birth control

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:05 am

Of course, the Catholic Church doesn't consider the fetus a person if it might cost them some money.

Catholic hospital argues fetus not a person
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