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Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:35 pm

196 people, mainly billionaires, fund 80% of the SuperPACs. That is much less the top 1% of Americans (actually only 0.0000063%). Is Citizens United the death knell for our democracy?
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Re: 196 people

Postby snoqueen » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:23 pm

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Re: 196 people

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:41 pm

Here is one out of many:

How a Filthy Rich 196 People Will Buy Our Election

2012 is "the year of the big donor," when a candidate is only as good as the amount of money in his super PAC. “In this campaign, every candidate needs his own billionaires,” wrote Jane Mayer of The New Yorker.


The GOP wants only their big donors to influence who is elected, thus their attempts at destroying unions.
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Re: 196 people

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:38 am

Henry Vilas wrote:Is Citizens United the death knell for our democracy?

There may be hope:

Two justices suggest Citizens United ruling should be reconsidered in Montana case
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Re: 196 people

Postby Stomach » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:38 am

Henry Vilas wrote:196 people, mainly billionaires, fund 80% of the SuperPACs. That is much less the top 1% of Americans (actually only 0.0000063%).


We are the 99.9999937% and we've been screwed by Citizens United.

I like to think that people can see past the 30 second spots but that doesn't seem to be the case. I'm already dreading the deluge of SuperPAC funded commercials during college and NFL games this fall.
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Re: 196 people

Postby rabble » Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:31 pm

You've only got to go to the Falk thread and bdog's post of Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:03 am to see what they're going to throw.

And if bdog is any indicator, a whole lot of people are going to believe it. Without any thought that maybe those 196 have Walker tucked so firmly in their pocket they don't need any pledges out of him.
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Re: 196 people

Postby Galoot » Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:37 pm

The irony is that Citizens United may bite the GOP in the ass and lead to a huge Obama landslide. The SuperPAC phenomenon has led to a complete domination of the primaries by candidates like Santorum who shouldn't have lasted beyond Iowa, and has weeded out GOP moderates like Huntsman.

Sure, the primary process has always favored the somewhat extreme candidates, but this is extremism on steroids. The idea of someone like Santorum running against Obama is hilarious. Obama could sweep all 50 states in such a race.
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Re: 196 people

Postby keelio » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:38 am

Why do we even measure campaign fund-raising/warchests as a barometer of success? If you look at things like the outlay per vote by Romney in Iowa, e.g., it could be read as a failure to communicate.
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Re: 196 people

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:22 am

keelio wrote:Why do we even measure campaign fund-raising/warchests as a barometer of success? If you look at things like the outlay per vote by Romney in Iowa, e.g., it could be read as a failure to communicate.

Because that money can buy media blitzes that often influence elections (and often with negative advertising). Political ads, with their supposedly neutral sponsorship, work.
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Re: 196 people

Postby keelio » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:56 pm

I don't mean to sound incredibly naive...but how can people be so easily swayed by political propaganda? Regardless of who sponsors it, it's still attempted brain-washing, and a micron of critical thinking should recognize that.
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Re: 196 people

Postby Stomach » Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:46 pm

keelio wrote:Regardless of who sponsors it, it's still attempted brain-washing, and a micron of critical thinking should recognize that.


You can go a long way telling people what they want to hear.
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Re: 196 people

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:14 pm

25% of super PAC money coming from just 5 rich donors

I'll let others figure out what percent of the U.S. population those five represent.
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