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Why are we still in Afghanistan?

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Re: Why are we still in Afghanistan?

Postby Donald » Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:52 pm

After the Soviets left Afghanistan, the US abandoned the country to poverty and warlordism. Some of the warlords we supported against the Soviets coalesced into the Taliban, which gained control of the country with disastrous results, especially for human rights of women and girls. These forces also allowed bases from which al Qaeda trained and launched attacks against the United States and United States interests.

We are in Afghanistan at this point to try to prevent a repeat of that history. There are arguments for and against remaining there as long as we have. The current government is corrupt and inept, but if it can negotiate with the more moderate Taliban elements and provide for a reasonable level of security, it might be able to provide enough stability to prevent a repeat.

Whatever you think of Obama's extension of the war, Al Qaeda is now a shell of its former self. That part has been a success.
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Re: Why are we still in Afghanistan?

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:57 pm

Foreign invaders in Afghanistan have never succeeded. Britian and the Great Game during the Victorian Era (in competiltion with the Russian Empire). Same with the Soviet Union as you mentioned. Now us.
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Re: Why are we still in Afghanistan?

Postby johnfajardohenry » Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:41 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Meade, you previously said you protested against the Vietnam War. Were you draft eligible (or maybe you were too young)? Did you number come up and if so, how did you avoid service?


Did you serve in the military, Henry?

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Re: Why are we still in Afghanistan?

Postby johnfajardohenry » Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:43 pm

johnfajardohenry wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:Meade, you previously said you protested against the Vietnam War. Were you draft eligible (or maybe you were too young)? Did you number come up and if so, how did you avoid service?


BTW: I attended anti-war demos in my year between HS and the Navy. I was not political but it was a great way to meet girls who were into no-questions-asked sex.

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Did you serve in the military, Henry?

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Re: Why are we still in Afghanistan?

Postby johnfajardohenry » Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:51 pm

Here is an interesting chart I found (see page 4):

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... /index.pdf

A bit hard to read precisely on the screen but it looks like at the end of 2008 we had around 35,000 US troops in country.

As of May 2012, we had 87,000 there.

Them demmies love them some wars! Wilson, FDR, Truman, JFK/LBJ, Clinton all got us into unnecessary wars. Lots of deaths on all sided.

Obama may not have gotten us into Afghanistan but he sure has bumped up the troop levels in his 4 years.

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Re: Why are we still in Afghanistan?

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:18 pm

johnfajardohenry wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:Meade, you previously said you protested against the Vietnam War. Were you draft eligible (or maybe you were too young)? Did you number come up and if so, how did you avoid service?


Did you serve in the military, Henry?

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I already told you in a past discussion that I went to school under the GI Bill. Are you that forgetful?
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Re: Why are we still in Afghanistan?

Postby Stebben84 » Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:26 pm

JH is the smartest man in the world. Hard for him to keep track of petty things like memory.
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Re: Why are we still in Afghanistan?

Postby Detritus » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:33 pm

In answer to the question posed in the subject line:

War is what our economy runs on.
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Re: Why are we still in Afghanistan?

Postby Stella_Guru » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:48 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Longest war by far in U.S. history and nobody seems to care.

When Obama's base stifles their tongues and circles the wagons trying to silence the critics of the White House, they only protect the president and his party from any accountability, and promote the self-silencing and growing irrelevance of what remains of the anti-war left.
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Re: Why are we still in Afghanistan?

Postby Henry Vilas » Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:44 pm

Afghanistan President Karzai now claims that the Taliban wants U.S. troops to remain.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai took aim at both the Taliban and the United States on Sunday in remarks likely to sour his already strained relations with Washington during a visit by U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel.

A deadly blast Saturday in the Afghan capital, Karzai said, showed that the "Taliban are serving the foreigners and are not against the foreigner."


To repeat the title of this thread: Why are we still in Afghanistan?
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Re: Why are we still in Afghanistan?

Postby Detritus » Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:42 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Afghanistan President Karzai now claims that the Taliban wants U.S. troops to remain.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai took aim at both the Taliban and the United States on Sunday in remarks likely to sour his already strained relations with Washington during a visit by U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel.

A deadly blast Saturday in the Afghan capital, Karzai said, showed that the "Taliban are serving the foreigners and are not against the foreigner."


To repeat the title of this thread: Why are we still in Afghanistan?

See Complex, military-industrial.
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Re: Why are we still in Afghanistan?

Postby Stella_Guru » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:00 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:To repeat the title of this thread: Why are we still in Afghanistan?

We are in search of enemies and happy to find them anywhere, including Waziristan wedding parties.
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