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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby bdog » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:10 am

peripat wrote:Says the person who thinks it is wrong to hang up on robocalls

Kinda hard to hang up when I never pick up - they all go straight to the answering machine.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby snoqueen » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:11 am

All the noise is pre-election posturing. If Obama gets re-elected, the states will fall get in line for funding. They have large industries, especially hospitals, that will suffer without participating.


Insurance companies want it too -- they're anticipating a lot of new accounts.

The healthcare industry (including insurance) is one of the biggest sectors of our economy (state and national) and denying them would surely result in a major loss of campaign donations.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Huckleby » Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:28 am

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So you need to take your dark red crayon and make Texas a "will not participate" state since Gov Oops Perry's announcement yesterday.

Doesn't it do you proud to see that WI has joined the confederacy?

Texas is like oil-rich third world country with tremendous poverty, Venezuala before Hugo Chávez. A family making more the $5000 is ineligible for medicaid in the great state of Texas. Forget uninsured adults, 28% of children in Texas lack health insurance.

But I think it is best to ignore the noise over medicaid expansion, it's just propoganda to create a sense of unease about Obamacare before the election.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:19 am

GOP to the uninsured: Drop dead

The Republican message to uninsured Americans in the wake of the Supreme Court’s recent ruling couldn’t be clearer: You’re on your own.

The party may not have officially adopted the “let ’em die” policy of right-wing hecklers at that CNN primary debate, when Ron Paul was asked what should be done when uninsured folks show up at the hospital. But as a practical matter, Republicans are in pretty unsavory territory. What other conclusion can we draw when Rick Perry, who presides over a state where fully one in four people lack health coverage, makes swaggering indifference to these Texans’ plight a point of sovereign pride?

Fifty million uninsured Americans would be the immediate casualties of the GOP’s “let them eat the emergency room” mentality. But all of us would be at risk. In America — alone among wealthy nations — everyone is a pink slip or job change or new illness away from finding they’ve lost coverage or are uninsurable.

This is the shameful reality behind the GOP’s rhetoric on health care. Republicans don’t want to spend a penny to insure the uninsured.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby rabble » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:20 am

Nobody seems to want to take up the issue of what to do with all those dead bodies, though.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Huckleby » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:29 am

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But I'm not dead yet, Mr. Boehner!
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Stella_Guru » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:03 am

Obama's health plan is very much like a plan first presented by Tricky Dick back in the early '70s. Nixon called for strict federal oversight of the insurance companies, proposed forcing them to cover everyone regardless of prior health conditions, and the government would subsidize those unable to pay. Ted Kennedy opposed and torpedoed Nixon's idea which is now celebrated by Dems as a progressive triumph.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7413036n
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Huckleby » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:41 am

Stella_Guru wrote: Ted Kennedy opposed and torpedoed Nixon's idea which is now celebrated by Dems as a progressive triumph.

Kennedy described his opposition to the Nixon proposal as the greatest mistake of his professional life. He said we would have had universal health care by the close of the 70's if he had been more wise.

Nixon also created the EPA and drastically reduced air pollution in particular. That would be a progressive triumph today too, just as Obamacare is an unambiguous triumph for progressives.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Stella_Guru » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:58 am

Huckleby wrote:
Stella_Guru wrote: Ted Kennedy opposed and torpedoed Nixon's idea which is now celebrated by Dems as a progressive triumph.

Kennedy described his opposition to the Nixon proposal as the greatest mistake of his professional life. He said we would have had universal health care by the close of the 70's if he had been more wise.

Nixon also created the EPA and drastically reduced air pollution in particular. That would be a progressive triumph today too, just as Obamacare is an unambiguous triumph for progressives.

Enlighten me then about what is in Obamacare that will prevent Health Insurance companies from manipulating the market place and giving us inferior coverage with high deductables, and will healthcare related bankruptcies continue? Are we just looking at legislation that solidifies their control over our lives with the help of government dollars, and shows once again the degree to which corporations drive American public policy?
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Huckleby » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:34 pm

Stella_Guru wrote:Enlighten me then about what is in Obamacare that will prevent Health Insurance companies from manipulating the market place and giving us inferior coverage with high deductables, and will healthcare related bankruptcies continue? Are we just looking at legislation that solidifies their control over our lives with the help of government dollars, and shows once again the degree to which corporations drive American public policy?


Health Insurance companies will have to sell on government-regulated exchanges. Federal government employees today buy their policies on regulated exchanges, and high satisfaction levels indicates that bad behavior can be controlled. The regulation under Obamacare goes much farther. They cap adminstrative costs, eliminate loopholes that insurers use to weasle out of payment, etc.

I'm going to take the Nancy Pelosi line: you'll have to see how it works after it is implemented to believe it.

The Obamacare model has been proven successful in Massachusettes & Switzerland. If it craps out, we at least have established the principle of universal health coverge, and we can campaign for single payer on arguments of cost savings.

Think Different. No, wrong slogan. Think Long Term.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby ilikebeans » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:50 pm

Health Care Law Repeal Efforts By House GOP Cost Nearly $50 Million

Note that none of the 33 attempts to repeal the law had any chance of passing the Senate.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby jonnygothispen » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:32 pm

meanwhile... there are children starving in America.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Detritus » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:42 pm

jonnygothispen wrote:meanwhile... there are children starving in America.

You're in luck--Republicans have a plan for that as well.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby jonnygothispen » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:12 pm

amazing...

All a part of the No Billionaire Left Underpaid program...
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby snoqueen » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:30 pm

Opting out of Medicare expansion (as several conservative governors want to do) might not be as easy as they wish:

from
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/healt ... ml?_r=1&hp

(paywall alert, so the quotes below give the gist of the article)

[Florida] Gov. Rick Scott took to national television soon after the ruling to announce that he would reject the expansion. Advocates for the poor and some players in the health care industry — especially hospitals — intend to push back.

Hospital associations around the country have already signed off on cuts to reimbursement rates under the health care law on the assumption that the new paying customers they would gain, partly through the Medicaid expansion, would more than cover their losses.


More than 20% of Floridians lack health insurance, Opting out of the Medicaid expansion should cost the Republicans votes, although Democratic legislators from Florida are faulting the Obama administration for not getting out and explaining the law more forcefully. And the state senate, which is controlled by Republicans, are taking the time to study their options before they commit to a course of action.

Without the expansion, Mr. Rueben [president of the Florida Hospital Association] and others in the health care industry said, the cost of uncompensated care — emergency treatment for those who are uninsured and cannot afford to pay — will continue to spiral upward and more costs will be shifted to the insured.


Guess the ACA isn't such a bad deal after all.
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