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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby fisticuffs » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:34 am

Count the logical fallacies in that quote:


Or instead of counting them you could specifically point them out and back them up with a well reasoned argument, You know, like an adult.
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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby fisticuffs » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:31 pm

OBAMA: I'm running because I believe you can't reduce the deficit -- which is a serious problem, we've got to deal with it -- but we can't reduce it without asking folks like me who have been incredibly blessed to give up the tax cuts that we've been getting for a decade. (Applause.) I'll cut out government spending that's not working, that we can't afford, but I'm also going to ask anybody making over $250,000 a year to go back to the tax rates they were paying under Bill Clinton, back when our economy created 23 million new jobs -- (applause) -- the biggest budget surplus in history and everybody did well.

Just like we've tried their plan, we tried our plan -- and it worked. That's the difference. (Applause.) That's the choice in this election. That's why I'm running for a second term.


or as Fox and Rush put it:

we tried our plan -- and it worked.
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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby Rich Schultz » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:59 pm

"Obama has no patience for 'you didn't build that' attacks because they're kicking his butt...
Barry is breaking a cardinal rule in politics at this point. His push back on this is so obvious, he's letting the opposition see him when he sweats. And he is sweating."
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2012/07/obama-no-patience-for-you-didnt-build-that-attacks-because-theyre-kicking-his-butt.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

"Aw! Poor little Obama. It’s not his fault he was indoctrinated into Marxism at such a young age that he has no idea how people become successful. We should all feel very sorry for him. It’s not really his fault that he believes that dumping millions billions of taxpayer dollars into failed solar companies, or expanding the welfare rolls to epic proportions will spur economic growth. He has a full plate and doesn’t have time to even meet with his economic advisers. We should all just leave him alone. He has an election to win, dontcha know?"
http://lonelyconservative.com/2012/07/aw-poor-obama-doesnt-like-people-quoting-him/

""Yeah, because it was the ultimate gaffe," syndicated columnist and FOX News contributor Charles Krauthammer said when asked if he thinks the "you didn't build it" line has legs. "It betrayed what he believes. And in context you can see because he elaborates on this. It isn't one sentence that slipped out. I think the RNC, Romney ought to run that ad -- ought to run the whole context, the whole thing, in an endless loop until the end of time or at least until the election, which seems about the same length of time. But it is so damning."

"For Obama to say what I meant is we have to support -- we don't have to get behind success, I would play that and then just show him beginning his remarks with mocking of success and saying, 'You think you're so smart, that it was your intelligence? You think that it was your hard work?' In other words, he was saying, in introducing the whole idea, that if you succeeded, it wasn't your brains or your sweat; it was what? It was government. That's what he believes. It's the essence of his philosophy of society, that it is government-centered. Whereas, the conservative Republican idea essentially is individually-centered. It is a contrast that is absolutely extreme and is very clear. And because it's so revealing, Obama has to pretend he said something else. He didn't. All you have to do is watch the tape, read the transcript."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/07/25/krauthammer_romney_ought_to_run_you_didnt_build_that_ad_on_an_endless_loop_until_the_end_of_time.html

"It's as if President Obama climbed into a tank, put on his helmet, talked about how his foray into Cambodia was seared in his memory, looked at his watch, misspelled "potato" and pardoned Richard Nixon all in the same day. It's fun to imagine the hand-wringing that must be going on within the White House as staffers try to figure out how to undo the damage their boss has done with his anti-entrepenurial riff. Defining moments in politics are strange beasts. Sometimes they're only recognized in hindsight, while sometimes they throw the train off the tracks before a sentence has been completed. Sometimes their effect can be contained and minimized, while sometimes their effect on the political narrative mestastasizes. This one is very bad for the White House.

These defining moments take hold most devastatingly when they confirm what a large portion of the electorate already believes. Taken alone, it seems unfair that a single moment, an unguarded remark or a slip of the tongue can carry such weight. They're often dismissed as "gotcha" moments, but when voters are able to nod and say, "I knew it," these moments stick and do terrible damage. We have witnessed such a moment. "
http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Defining-Moments

"Poll: Obama approval among business owners drops"
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57480477-503544/poll-obama-approval-among-business-owners-drops/
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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby fisticuffs » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:11 pm

Thanks for posting what the liars think about the lie. That's very helpful.
Was Obama referring to the business, or the country's infrastructure when he said "you didn't build that"?


A simple answer will do.
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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby Rich Schultz » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:38 pm

"Was Obama referring to the business, or the country's infrastructure when he said "you didn't build that"?"

"If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."

In his own words Obama is referring to the business, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt since he was working without his teleprompter. What difference does it make?

Who do you think paid for those teachers, highways and bridges? The productive or the non productive?
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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby fisticuffs » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:41 pm

In his own words Obama is referring to the business,


Do you not understand that he is clearly, factually, without any doubt referring to the infrastructure in the previous sentence? Or can you not have an honest debate?

What difference does it make?


Is this an honest question? Do you honestly not realize the difference?

Who do you think paid for those teachers, highways and bridges? The productive or the non productive?


Are you inferring that teachers and construction workers aren't productive?
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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby Rich Schultz » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:44 pm

Are you inferring construction companies aren't businesses?
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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby fisticuffs » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:50 pm

Nevermind. You're as dishonest as the rest of the trolls here. No point in arguing with a liar.
Have a nice life.
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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby Rich Schultz » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:52 pm

"Do you not understand that he is clearly, factually, without any doubt referring to the infrastructure in the previous sentence?

""If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

So the previous sentence counts but not the actual sentence? You are clearly, factually, without any doubt, nuts.
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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby fisticuffs » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:59 pm

So the previous sentence counts but not the actual sentence? You are clearly, factually, without any doubt, nuts.


And you can't read. And you're going on ignore. "that" is a pronoun, and what pronouns do is take the place if a subject (person place or thing). In this case "that" is public infrastructure.
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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby Rich Schultz » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:06 pm

Oh no, not ignore! LOL Yeah, go hide in your room, and don't come out till November.

""If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."
Pronoun that.

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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby Stebben84 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:50 pm

Rich Schultz wrote:"Do you not understand that he is clearly, factually, without any doubt referring to the infrastructure in the previous sentence?

""If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

So the previous sentence counts but not the actual sentence? You are clearly, factually, without any doubt, nuts.


You are amazingly stupid if you don't know how to link two sentences together. Keep it honest tool.
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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby jonnygothispen » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:51 pm

I assume that the neocons posting here received most of their education in public schools, drove or rode to work on public roads, in vehicles that were created and/or invented by other people, and are posting ideas other people largely told them they should have on computers someone else built, will eat or drink nutritional food grown by someone else, delivered to their area by other people, cooked on devices created by others, in homes built by other people, in a country founded and settled by others, in a universe someone or something else created as well. But that's just a wild guess.
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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby DCB » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:02 pm

Rich Schultz wrote:Who do you think paid for those teachers, highways and bridges? The productive or the non productive?

I get it. You and your team think that the 99% of Americans who actually do the work are worthless peons and only the Masters of the Universe really count.

I disagree. But feel free to promote that idea far and wide; see how that works for you.
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Re: "Somebody else did that"

Postby Comrade » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:07 pm

This has been pretty amusing.

I understand exactly what Obama meant with this somewhat clumsy statement. I also understand his attempt to explain and distort it away, but it doesn't really matter.

If you take him at his explanation, then he was making a completely empty point.

Yes, the sucessful have had varying kinds of help, BUT that does not dimminish from what they have accomplished. Moreover, the underlying point was and remains how the successful should contribute more than others because of what (obama) perceives they took or use from the public on their road to sucess.

BUT THEY ALREADY DO THAT! We have a progressive tax system in this country, do we not? That has been posted about ad nauseum in this forum.

Mr Obama stuck his foot in his mouth trying to make an irrelevant point....not one of his better moments. He would be better served to stick to the teleprompter.
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