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Felons voting

Postby Huckleby » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:04 am

I want to hear from conservatives on this one, it's clear what liberals think.

What are the justifications and advantages of permanently barring ex-cons from voting?

Are there any Republicans out there who think that disenfranchising people who have served their time is unAmerican?
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Re: Felons voting

Postby pjbogart » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:23 am

In the State of Wisconsin a convicted felon has their civil rights restored, including the right to vote, after they have served their sentence. Some States permanently revoke a felon's right to vote and I would consider that akin to a Jim Crow law, but I'm not a conservative.

In my opinion all citizens should retain their right to vote unless specifically convicted for voter fraud. If we have so many felons that they could sway an election then the problem is likely our justice system. But again, I'm not a conservative.
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Re: Felons voting

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:30 am

A constitutional amendment would be needed, as states can control their own elections, especially concerning the voting rights of those convicted of a felony (as per the 14th Amendment).
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Re: Felons voting

Postby johnfajardohenry » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:57 am

pjbogart wrote:In the State of Wisconsin a convicted felon has their civil rights restored, including the right to vote, after they have served their sentence. Some States permanently revoke a felon's right to vote and I would consider that akin to a Jim Crow law, but I'm not a conservative.


I am neither a conservative nor a Republican but I am generally in favor of allowing felons to vote once they have served their sentence.

Here in PR we allow imprisoned felons to vote. I don't care for that but it doesn't bother me terribly.

I don't think there are any circumstances under which a PR voter can lose their right to vote other than for things like non-residency. I don't think one even has to be a US citizen. Independence leader Juan Mari Bras renounced his US citizenship some years ago and I think he even ran for office after that.

I'd not thought about this but two questions come to mind:

Suppose I am convicted of a felony in a state which permanently takes away my right to vote. If I move to another state that lets felons vote, can I vote there? My guess would be yes but I've never really thought about it.

In Wisconsin, and other states that restore voting rights, does restoration occur on release from jail or on completion of parole/probation?

Not quite the same thing but some states, Washington is one I know of, allow for permanent imprisonment of child molesters after completion of their sentence. I understand the reasoning and even sympathize with it. It still gives me the heebie-jeebies and I don't like it.

How do the Demmies/Progressives here feel about this?

(If too far off topic, ignore it)

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Re: Felons voting

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:12 am

johnfajardohenry wrote:Suppose I am convicted of a felony in a state which permanently takes away my right to vote. If I move to another state that lets felons vote, can I vote there? My guess would be yes but I've never really thought about it.

Yes, as each state can set their own rules concerning felons and voting.

johnfajardohenry wrote:In Wisconsin, and other states that restore voting rights, does restoration occur on release from jail or on completion of parole/probation?

Voting rights are restored in Wisconsin for felons who have completed their entire sentence, including parole/probation.
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Re: Felons voting

Postby Huckleby » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:29 pm

The last Republican Governor of Florida, Charlie Crist, made it easy for felons to regain their right to vote. The new Republican Governor, Tea PArty favorite Rick Scott, just added a mountain of paperwork and a five year waiting period for felons to vote. Huh. Florida could be pivotal this fall.


I really wish a conservative would come forward and explain the principles involved here. I assume there is some justification.
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Re: Felons voting

Postby pjbogart » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:23 pm

It seems that there's always an underlying assumption that preventing felons from voting somehow helps Republicans. I'm not so sure that you can make such an assumption. Yeah, possession of crack is more likely to earn you some jail time than possession of powder cocaine. Yeah, there are huge discrepancies in justice when you look at race and socioeconomics. But really, how reliable are felons when it comes to voting?

I think the better question, rather than sitting and thinking about a rather unsympathetic demographic, is whether there's any good reason to deny a felon the right to vote? We seem to be doing a great job of electing criminals without the help of their felonious brethren, so what is the perceived danger of allowing felons to vote?

The downside, on the other hand, is enormous. Disenfranchisement tends to treat voting as a privilege rather than a right and we cheapen democracy by arbitrarily excluding people from the process. My own father got waived into adult court when he was 16 for armed burglary when he and one of his boneheaded friends broke into an empty summer home in the middle of the winter and stole all of the booze. Save that one incident my father was an upstanding citizen his whole life, a successful business owner, millionaire several times over, charitable and law-abiding. I guess in some States he still couldn't vote 55 years later and that boggles my mind. To what end?
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Re: Felons voting

Postby Cornbread » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:20 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:A constitutional amendment would be needed, as states can control their own elections,


Then why does the socialist obama and his lying 'justice' department sue states for, say voter ID? Or purging voter registration roles of illegals, the dead, etc. ?
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Re: Felons voting

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:30 pm

Because our Constitution consists of more than Section 2 of the 14th Amendment.
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Re: Felons voting

Postby green union terrace chair » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:54 am

johnfajardohenry wrote:Here in PR we allow imprisoned felons to vote. I don't care for that but it doesn't bother me terribly.

You're in Puerto Rico?
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Re: Felons voting

Postby Cornbread » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:44 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Because our Constitution consists of more than Section 2 of the 14th Amendment.

...and lest we forget, zerobam's 'I won't wait for Congress" or was it, "If Congress won't act I will"? Oh yeah, both.

I thought our affirmative action prezzie was some media proclaimed constitutional scholar? Did he read only your section?
Wait, that doesn't make sense. :lol:

OK, so can we just agree that obama is a fascist pig?
I'm ok with calling him that. His actions always show he's nothing but a fascist pig, but I was hoping to get a little more consensus on the recognition of reality.
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Re: Felons voting

Postby Huckleby » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:16 pm

This conversation has descended into stupidity and ugliness.

Lets move on to something more uplifting. What do you think the room rates will be like at the new Edgewater?
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Re: Felons voting

Postby johnfajardohenry » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:54 am

green union terrace chair wrote:
johnfajardohenry wrote:Here in PR we allow imprisoned felons to vote. I don't care for that but it doesn't bother me terribly.

You're in Puerto Rico?


Yup.

Hiding in plain site in Fajardo for 41 years and counting now.

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