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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby WestSideYuppie » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:46 pm

Ducatista wrote:
Detritus wrote:Cliff Notes Ayn Rand

Too much detail, I think.

WAY too much. But this part, about Dagny's arrival at Galt's Gulch...

All the great men she admires are here — inventors, industrialists, philosophers, scientists, and artists.

...reminds me of a giant flaw in Rand's adolescent fantasy that I recognized even as an adolescent: With the probable exception of the industrialists, "all the great men" wouldn't be caught dead in her godawful gated community.


I would go even one step further. In stark contrast to Rand's scenario, "all the great men" are perfectly capable of prospering in our dystopia. Speaking personally, as an inventor, industrialist, scientist, and artist: Nobody from the government has ever told me that I'm too successful, or that I have to step aside to give lesser competitors a chance.

Another observation is that inventors, scientists, and artists are disproportionately absent from the Republican Party. The term "industrialist" is vague (though I enjoy using it because it sounds robust) and I've known self-described philosophers who lean pretty far to the right. Rand assigned an engineering degree to her heroine. Engineers tend to be more conservative (look up Salem Hypothesis). What would she think of an entire generation of young people choosing "business" as their college major?
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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby fennel » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:45 pm

Engineers have a reputation for not being broadly educated, but I think that's more of a U.S. phenomenon. Even at Michigan, for example, they're exempted from the undergraduate foreign language requirement. The program seems to be rigorous but narrowly focused, as if the point is to produce quasi-professionals who are very good at accomplishing assigned tasks, but maybe not so good at evaluating whether the task at hand makes sense in a broader context.
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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby WestSideYuppie » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:09 pm

After spouting off about the Salem Hypothesis, I now have to defend engineers. I work with quite a number of engineers, but also folks with other backgrounds. I don't think that engineers as a group are particularly narrowly focused. At worst, we're talking about overlapping bell-shaped curves.
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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby fennel » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:25 pm

I'd never heard of the Salem Hypothesis before. It does seem pretty goofy. But if you're referring to my comment, I don't think engineers are narrowly focused per se. I do think the typical US requirements for an engineering degree are narrowly focused. Persons who pursue such a degree are not necessarily less curious or less inclined to explore beyond their realm of expertise. It's just that their isn't a lot of encouragement do so, at least not within the curriculum.
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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:02 pm

Romney campaign muzzles Ryan.

...Ryan has been directed to avoid taking questions from reporters who travel with him, and to agree only to a few carefully selected interviews. He is known for sketching budget graphs on napkins to explain his ideas, but this past week it was Romney who used a white board during a news conference to help detail his own plan — one he says is virtually identical to Ryan's.
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"I'm joining the Romney ticket," Ryan told an Ohio television station this week. "It's not the other way around. So I'm supporting the Mitt Romney plan."

Some of the Republican Party's most passionate voters see it a different way. Reluctant to support Romney during the GOP primary, they favor Ryan and his ideas more than the former Massachusetts governor who will head the party's ticket.

Romney hopes that Ryan's conservative credentials and his boyish enthusiasm will help him solidify support from the base of his party and close the "likability gap" with President Barack Obama, who remains relatively popular in spite of the nation's struggling economy.

Yet Romney does not want Ryan's plans to overshadow his own candidacy.

Romney wants to have it both ways. He wants Tea Party support, yet doesn't want to alienate moderates (especially the elderly) with Ryan's radical proposals on Medicare.
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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby WestSideYuppie » Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:31 pm

fennel wrote:I'd never heard of the Salem Hypothesis before. It does seem pretty goofy. But if you're referring to my comment, I don't think engineers are narrowly focused per se. I do think the typical US requirements for an engineering degree are narrowly focused. Persons who pursue such a degree are not necessarily less curious or less inclined to explore beyond their realm of expertise. It's just that their isn't a lot of encouragement do so, at least not within the curriculum.

That's fair. We used to joke that in engineering, FORTRAN counted for your foreign language requirement. ;)
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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby johnfajardohenry » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:21 pm

fennel wrote:Even at Michigan, for example, they're exempted from the undergraduate foreign language requirement.


I find that disturbing but is it so different from most schools and most programs? I've not looked at it but I have the impression that most undergrad programs, other than in things like a language or country specific programs require no foreign language at all.

I remember my cousin, Electrical Engineer, Hopkins, about '69 was expected to be fluent in German. I think he may have even had some engineering classes taught in German. I had the impression that this was common in engineering programs at the time. Certainly is not today.

Are HS students in Wisconsin required to take a language to graduate? When I was in HS, Virginia, class of 66, we were required to take 3-4 years of language to graduate. My impression is that most students in the US today never take a foreign language.

My school in Falls Church, offered Latin, Spanish, French, German and Russian. I took Latin, flunked. Spanish twice (flunked) was certified as being unable to learn a language and given a waiver. I did take 12 credits in college and got A's so perhaps it was the teachers + motivation.

I think everyone should learn at least 1 foreign language. It is extremely hard to do in a classroom, though.

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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby WestSideYuppie » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:23 pm

I took 4 years German in high school. As a consequence, I passed out of the language requirement in college. And I somehow passed the foreign language exam in grad school. Today, I don't even know enough German to function.

The one danger of making something a requirement is that everybody has to pass it. The engineering students at UW have to take a semester course in "studies," and it's widely regarded as a joke.
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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby DCB » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:52 pm

fisticuffs wrote:Didn't request stimulus funds, oh wait... did request stimulus funds.

If you like that, you'll love this.

But in 2002, when then-President Bush was seeking a roughly $120 billion package of tax cuts, tax incentives for business and unemployment benefits to jump-start the economy, Ryan offered a vigorous defense of the plan. “What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed,” Ryan said in video that aired today on Up w/ Chris Hayes. The remarks came during a House debate on the measure on Feb. 14, 2002.
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Ryan also argued in 2002 for helping workers pay for their health insurance and extending unemployment benefits. Since Obama has been in office, Ryan has voted against extending unemployment insurance.

Hmm, I wonder what made Ryan change his mind about the utility of stimulus spending?
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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby O.J. » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:43 pm

fennel wrote:Romney and Ryan is an anagram for Romney Ayn Rand. That can't be an accident.


Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan = My Ultimate Ayn Rand Porn
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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby DCB » Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:18 pm

The brilliant and detail-oriented Ryan can't answer a simple question:

This morning brings the latest example — attention to that “forcible rape” language in legislation co-sponsored by Akin, Ryan (and 225 other members of the House).


“You sponsored legislation that has the language ‘forcible rape,’” Delano noted. “What is forcible rape as opposed…”

“Rape is rape,” Ryan interrupted. “Rape is rape, period. End of story.”

“So that forcible rape language meant nothing to you at the time?” Delano asked.

“Rape is rape and there’s no splitting hairs over rape,” Ryan said.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... op-ticket/
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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby ilikebeans » Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:32 pm

Ah yes, no sense in splitting hairs over the language that was in your sponsored legislation.

What a cowardly tool.
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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby Stebben84 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:39 pm

This quote from that article is classic:

arguing that voters are not “going to take the bait of all these distractions that the President is trying to throw at them.”


So anything that questions their policy is a "distraction." The distraction is their platform, and they don't want to get into those specifics. All they want to do is talk in vague generalities and sound bites and hope the public doesn't dig any further. Unfortunately when you have magazines like Newsweek, the chances of any real journalism is slim to none.
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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby fisticuffs » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:35 pm

Here's some Paul Ryan you may not have met yet.
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I understand there's also some"tiny face Mitt" going around.
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Re: Meet Paul Ryan

Postby O.J. » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:38 pm

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