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The Immigration Debate

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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:24 pm

snoqueen wrote:Now y'all need to help me figure out what imaginable ethnic/nationality group could possibly be full of potential Republicans. I'm not coming up with much.

Mormons and observant Anglo Catholics are the only two groups who are profilegate procreators and conservative enough to vote GOP.
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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby Huckleby » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:15 pm

snoqueen wrote: The Republicans need to find a similar ready source of potential new supporters, enabling the two parties to see a common interest and solve this problem together.


The voters are very fickle. Things look very rosy for Dems right now. But remember, the Republicans looked broken in 2008, then they immediately came roaring back in 2010. As a result of that shocking turnabout, they hold 30 governerships, and they gerrymandered themselves 10-years of power.

Watching the Republicans try and thread the needle with immigration reform is entertaining. Man, they are squirming, trying to avoid their Hobson's choice. How many ways can they stall Hispanics from voting? Such a miserable and transparent agenda. After five years of fighting the Dream Act, Cantor now embraces it as if it was his idea. LOL. Republicans calculate they might be able to get off easy by allowing youngsters only to vote, keep the cabash on the 9 million over 30. Too late. They adore guest worker solution - create a permanent, non-voting labor class - perfecto! None of these half measures will flush, Republicans have to cave now or cave later.
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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby Mad Howler » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:10 am

snoqueen wrote:The easiest solution goes like this:

The Democrats are finding a ready source of potential new supporters in the Mexican/Hispanic undocumented immigrant population, and are working to find them a "path to citizenship."

The Republicans need to find a similar ready source of potential new supporters, enabling the two parties to see a common interest and solve this problem together.

Now y'all need to help me figure out what imaginable ethnic/nationality group could possibly be full of potential Republicans. I'm not coming up with much.


I think I am with you here. In a practical sense we are a nation of immigrants, no disrespect to those whose forbearers found this land mass before the euros. The thing is I have been stung by the loss of talent, owing to immigration policy, that probably wouldn't have happened so easily a little over a decade ago.
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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby The One » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:03 pm

How will giving an estimated 12 million undocumented illegal immigrants a path to citizenship help the current citizens of the United States?
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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby Detritus » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:09 pm

How will not giving an estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship help the current citizens of the United States?
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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby The One » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:21 pm

Detritus wrote:How will not giving an estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship help the current citizens of the United States?

Thanks for avoiding a rather simple question. Does that mean you've got nothing?
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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby pjbogart » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:41 pm

From those crazy libs over at Bloomberg today:

Marco Rubio Is Scared to Death

Rubio's defensive crouch was indicative of his party as a whole: Faced with undeniable proof that their policies are unpopular, Republicans are nevertheless terrified of change, fearful of alienating the conservative base voters whose anger they cultivated so assiduously just a short while ago. If Obama seemed especially jaunty delivering his remarks, he had reason. It's hard for Republicans to appear threatening to their opponents when they are cowering in fear of their friends.


That's the problem, and people like "The One" are simply illustrating it for you. Republicans have simply groomed their base too thoroughly and for too long to simply change directions. Republican voters really believe that there's a war on Christmas. They really believe that global warming is a liberal hoax so that despotical tyrants like Al Gore and Barack Obama can cash in.

Essentially, Republicans have spent so much time misinforming their voters and scapegoating virtually every minority group in the country that there's no way to simply turn a 180. A mean, shit, Republicans hate the French for some crazy reason. The depth and scope of their mean-spiritedness will not be easily reversed.
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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby rabble » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:51 pm

The One wrote:How will giving an estimated 12 million undocumented illegal immigrants a path to citizenship help the current citizens of the United States?

You wouldn't be a christian by any chance, would you?
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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby Detritus » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:12 pm

The One wrote:
Detritus wrote:How will not giving an estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship help the current citizens of the United States?

Thanks for avoiding a rather simple question. Does that mean you've got nothing?

No, it means you've got nothing. Try posing the question without telegraphing the answer you're expecting and see what happens then.
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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby DCB » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:14 pm

pjbogart wrote:Essentially, Republicans have spent so much time misinforming their voters and scapegoating virtually every minority group in the country that there's no way to simply turn a 180.

They've worked really hard at cultivating a hostility to rational thinking. At this point their base has gone so far 'round the bend you're not going to win them over with an appeal to being 'sensible'.
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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby Huckleby » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:34 pm

The rumors of the death of the Republican party are greatly exaggerated.

If the Republicans sign-on to ANY comprehensive immigration reform in 2013, they will be able to mend fences with Hispanic population, IMO.

This is obvious, but the ideal scenario for the Dems politically is to have a giant and noisy attempt to pass immigration reform that falls short. Conservative commentators know this, they accuse Obama of setting this up.
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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby Mad Howler » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:43 am

You know the current state of the republican party is an ironic and tragic blow to another WI tradition. Nice job kooks! I suspect it will take sometime to de-kookify and for the base to stop being played by subterfuge such as this...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-d ... 63125.html
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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby wack wack » Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:30 am

The One wrote:How will giving an estimated 12 million undocumented illegal immigrants a path to citizenship help the current citizens of the United States?


Why should it help the current citizens of the United States?
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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby wack wack » Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:34 am

Huckleby wrote:The rumors of the death of the Republican party are greatly exaggerated.

If the Republicans sign-on to ANY comprehensive immigration reform in 2013, they will be able to mend fences with Hispanic population, IMO.


You are high. Higher than any mofo I've ever met, and I want some.

Aside from a comically hypocritical embracing of Christianity, what do Republicans have to offer Hispanics?

NOTHING.

You're waaaaay too smart to be talking this line of crap, Huck.
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Re: The Immigration Debate

Postby Mean Scenester » Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:55 am

Huckleby wrote:If the Republicans sign-on to ANY comprehensive immigration reform in 2013, they will be able to mend fences with Hispanic population, IMO.

You must really hold Hispanics in low regard.

This is obvious ...

The only thing that's obvious is that you're still working on that ventriloquist act where your ass mouths the words but your lips don't move.
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