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Who invented sequestration?

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Who invented sequestration?

Postby rabble » Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:10 am

The latest blame game is that the sequester is Obama's idea. Every red blooded conservative is now saying "HE did it!"

Huff post says it's more complicated.

Neither President Obama nor House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) promoted sequestration as a constructive means of tackling the nation's fiscal problems. Neither advocated its inclusion in the debt ceiling necessary to avoid default on our nation's debt. Neither saw sequestration as Plan A or Plan B or even Plan C. It was Plan H or I -- yet the only one that the Tea Party faction of the House Republican Conference would accept in return for allowing an 11th hour deal to avoid default.


I understand, conservatives don't like to accept things from Huffpo. Maybe somebody else can add a few more details.
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Re: Who invented sequestration?

Postby snoqueen » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:12 am

The public will never know what went on behind closed doors in the legislative and executive branches, and that includes who uttered the word "sequester" first. In a way it's as silly as the Benghazi argument about who said "terrorist" first (or any other magic word that whips up indignation -- pick your favorite).

In the case of the sequester, it got approved (by both parties, ultimately) pretty much because nothing else could. The tea party Republicans leveraged their power in congress without regard for the consequences to the economy and the citizens. If they believed they were really doing something good, they'd be claiming right now that they started it.

Arguing about the historical trivia of the sequester is a deliberate distraction from the what's really important: what happens next. The Republicans (the insane ones, I mean) want to proactively pin all possible blame on Obama and the Democrats when the sequester causes an economic slowdown and negative effects on individual Americans' lives.

I see no reason to even engage in the "who started it" discussion. It's a fake.

If there are any causal agents we ought to be dealing with, they're structural. The rules the Senate oparates under prevent its functioning in a rational parliamentary manner, for starters. So is gerrymandering and the laws and customs that make it so convenient. What else?
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Re: Who invented sequestration?

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:33 am

Sequestration is exactly what the Tea Party wants. It's part of their plan to "starve the beast."
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Re: Who invented sequestration?

Postby HawkHead » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:40 am

Henry Vilas wrote:Sequestration is exactly what the Tea Party wants. It's part of their plan to "starve the beast."


Or as I like to say, "Kill the functional Government."
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Re: Who invented sequestration?

Postby bdog » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:47 am

Yeah the beast ain't gonna starve anytime soon

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Re: Who invented sequestration?

Postby HawkHead » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:51 am

bdog wrote:Yeah the beast ain't gonna starve anytime soon

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But why take 10% of the beast's heart, liver, lungs, fat, skin, etc...... instead of getting rid of the fat?
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Re: Who invented sequestration?

Postby Stella_Guru » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:00 am

It could be a charade and President Obama and the Republicans are in lockstep preparing the public for the inevitability of throwing granny under the bus. Or, the Republicans are playing a weak president like a fiddle and watching him outbargain himself and self-destruct. Either way his legacy is looking like it could be 8 years of a shit economy along with being a war monger and enemy of the constitution. Very sad.
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Re: Who invented sequestration?

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:04 am

"All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives..."

U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 7

Which political party controls the House Representative (rhetorical question)?
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Re: Who invented sequestration?

Postby Meade » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:16 am

Henry Vilas wrote:Which political party controls the House Representative (rhetorical question)?

(rhetorical answer):the same party that caved in on the Fiscal Cliff™ and voted to let taxes increase.
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Re: Who invented sequestration?

Postby Meade » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:19 am

Stella_Guru wrote:Either way his legacy is looking like it could be 8 years of a shit economy along with being a war monger and enemy of the constitution.

Aren't you confusing Barack with W?
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Re: Who invented sequestration?

Postby Stella_Guru » Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:22 pm

Meade wrote:
Stella_Guru wrote:Either way his legacy is looking like it could be 8 years of a shit economy along with being a war monger and enemy of the constitution.

Aren't you confusing Barack with W?

President Obama has, or had a much nicer veneer than President Bush, but they both serve the same unsavory clique. It is a very tough one two punch for our country.
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