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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby Meade » Fri May 31, 2013 1:43 pm

If Democrats are really scandalized that tax-exempt organizations are exploiting a "loophole" to play in politics, they could begin reform by calling for their union allies to stick to their own primary tax-exempt purpose. The Journal reported in July 2012 that organized labor had spent $4.4 billion on politics and lobbying since 2005 alone, much of it funded by union dues (rather than by union political-action committees, which fall under a separate section of the tax code and are funded with voluntary contributions).

At least with 501(c)(4) groups, donations are voluntary and the political purposes clear. Labor unions are able to extract dues under contract and then spend the money on political causes opposed by many of their rank-and-file. Democrats understand this, which is why they always include a carve-out for unions in their proposals to require the disclosure of political spending by businesses and 501(c) groups.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... lenews_wsj
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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:13 am

Ron Johnson's latest "victim of government" is an overtly political group that is having trouble getting tax exempt status.

So while the IRS may have singled out 501(c)(4) tea party groups for heavy-handed scrutiny, grilling True the Vote over its conservative activism might be appropriate.

As PR Watch says, "In the case of the 501(c)(4) tea party groups, the IRS erred by singling out some groups based exclusively on their names or political views, rather than evidence they engaged in potentially excessive political activity. But for the 501(c)(3) True the Vote, the IRS may properly scrutinize its application if there is evidence of any campaign or political intervention. And indeed, there is significant evidence — and True the Vote likely knows this."

And, PR Watch notes, True the Vote has been overtly connected with Republican efforts to win elections: "A 2010 video announcing True the Vote's launch begins with right-wing activist David Horowitz telling the camera 'Republicans have to win by at least 3 percent in order to win an election,' since Democrats are so likely to cast fraudulent votes."

The video also included racial undertones: "The video, which features white activists warning of rampant voter fraud, also featured an image of an African-American woman holding a sign that had been doctored to say 'I only got to vote once.' In the original photograph, the sign read 'Don't mess with my vote.'


A racist political group to boot.
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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby Meade » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:21 pm

An image of an African-American woman holding a sign makes them "racist"? How so?
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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:30 pm

African-American woman holding a sign that had been doctored to say 'I only got to vote once.'
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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby Meade » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:35 pm

How is that racist?
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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:43 pm

Are you that obtuse or just cravenly disingenuous? Rhetorical question. Even the article I cited mentioned "racial undertones."
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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby Meade » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:55 pm

I'm not obtuse and I'm completely ingenuous. You claimed it to be a "racist political group" but you can't seem to even define "racist" much less offer evidence supporting your assertion.
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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:06 pm

There's a non-stop party in D.C. and you're not invited.

Check out the fat-ass bureaucrats jiggling across the stage in the linked video...

WASHINGTON - The Internal Revenue Service, already under fire after officials disclosed that the agency targeted conservative groups, faces increased scrutiny because of an inspector general's report that it spent about $50 million to hold at least 220 conferences for employees between 2010 and 2012.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/20 ... years?lite
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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:07 am

IRS victims testify as new agency scandal emerges

The leaders of six conservative groups were scheduled to tell lawmakers Tuesday about their mistreatment at the hands of IRS agents. Several of the groups say their applications for tax-exempt status were delayed while agents asked intrusive questions that the IRS has since acknowledged were inappropriate. One group, the National Organization for Marriage, says the IRS publicly disclosed confidential information about donors.

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For more than 18 months during the 2010 and 2012 election campaigns, IRS agents in a Cincinnati office singled out tea party and other conservative groups for additional scrutiny when they sought tax-exempt status, according to a report by J. Russell George, the Treasury Department inspector general for tax administration.

The report said tea party groups were asked inappropriate questions about their donors, their political affiliations and their positions on political issues. The additional scrutiny delayed applications for an average of nearly two years, making it difficult for many of the groups to raise money

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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:14 am

Oh, I can picture the questions now!

Show me on the tax form where the bad agent touched you
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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby wack wack » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:22 am

Organizations can and regularly do function as 501(c)3 groups before and without official certification, so "delayed applications for an average of nearly two years, making it difficult for many of the groups to raise money" is a lie.

The report said tea party groups were asked inappropriate questions about their donors, their political affiliations and their positions on political issues.


Inappropriate by what standard? Is inappropriate illegal?

Still no harm, still no foul, still nothing to see here.
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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby Sandi » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:32 pm

One of the groups that talked to lawmakers today, Becky Gerritson gave congress and the IRS a good thumping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=0N8TykuZvTY

It is obvious that the IRS was fishing for most of their members. Probably so they could harass them too.
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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby wack wack » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:56 pm

Sandi wrote:One of the groups that talked to lawmakers today, Becky Gerritson gave congress and the IRS a good thumping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=0N8TykuZvTY

It is obvious that the IRS was fishing for most of their members. Probably so they could harass them too.


Interesting first three minutes, as Ms. Gerritson unwittingly explains exactly why her organization does NOT qualify for 501(c)4 status.

Then a minute or two outlining the "additional information" requests from the IRS, followed by a bunch of pseudo-Patriotic partisan rhetoric.

Where's the thump?
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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby Sandi » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:19 pm

wack wack wrote:Interesting first three minutes, as Ms. Gerritson unwittingly explains exactly why her organization does NOT qualify for 501(c)4 status.


How so?

wack wack wrote:Then a minute or two outlining the "additional information" requests from the IRS, followed by a bunch of pseudo-Patriotic partisan rhetoric.


Yeah, additional request that the IRS has no business asking, and you already know that, but pretend ignorance as a smoke screen.

wack wack wrote:Where's the thump?


Oh maybe showing that the IRC stepped a mile past what is legal to ask for, and make any group answer for? That congress does not do it's job in overseeing what the IRS is doing?
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Re: BO's IRS Targets Political Enemies

Postby Sandi » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:19 pm

Inappropriate by what standard? Is inappropriate illegal?


How about law and IRS regulations for starters. Your questions are becoming too stupid for deserve answers.
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