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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:12 pm

I see the deniers have started their own thread. Sources include breitbart.com and a workpress blog.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Sandi » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:06 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:I see the deniers have started their own thread. Sources include breitbart.com and a workpress blog.


And the alarmists still cling to totally discredited IPCC models which are a total joke. Even the IPCC says that they are not reliable. Not fond of breitbart, but comparing their credibility to the IPCC makes them look damn good.

Why post is this thread when the whole point of the thread: the "97% consensus" has been debunked from all angles.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby rabble » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:52 pm

Because it hasn't been debunked. You've just declared victory and thrown up a "mission accomplished" banner.
The heads of the Environmental Protection Agency for Richard Nixon, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, and Ronald Reagan:
They all agreed: global warming is real, humans are causing it, and policymakers have a responsibility to act.

You guys are not just freakin stupid, you are willfully blind. And you're winning. You're going to hand our descendents a freaking mess and you're proud of it. They will curse our memories. Congrats.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Sandi » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:16 pm

rabble wrote:Because it hasn't been debunked. You've just declared victory and thrown up a "mission accomplished" banner.
The heads of the Environmental Protection Agency for Richard Nixon, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, and Ronald Reagan:
They all agreed: global warming is real, humans are causing it, and policymakers have a responsibility to act.

You guys are not just freakin stupid, you are willfully blind. And you're winning. You're going to hand our descendents a freaking mess and you're proud of it. They will curse our memories. Congrats.


Jeez rabble I have not declared victory. I have declared the IPCC to be a non-scientific political body. Which it is.

It doesn't matter a wit if both Bushs, Reagan or anyone elsee agreed on anything. What matters is scientific evidence. Ever hear of it?

No we are not winning, the alarmists have sunk their own boat with false claims and extreme alarmism.

What CO2 will do is hand our descendants a greener world that produces more food. CO2 is not polution that the EPA and alarmists would like everyone to believe. CO2 is a necessity for all life on earth. Even if it was thousands of parts per million instead of around 400ppm, it would not change the climate substantially. It would make the earth greener.

Keep your lips to the cool-aid jug.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Madsci » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:21 pm

How about we make that pinata in the shape of an ox so we can gore it? And let's fill it this time.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Sandi » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:09 pm

Madsci wrote:How about we make that pinata in the shape of an ox so we can gore it? And let's fill it this time.


Perhaps you posted in the wrong thread?
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby ilikebeans » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:02 am

Sandi wrote:What CO2 will do is hand our descendants a greener world that produces more food. CO2 is not polution that the EPA and alarmists would like everyone to believe. CO2 is a necessity for all life on earth. Even if it was thousands of parts per million instead of around 400ppm, it would not change the climate substantially. It would make the earth greener.

I know, right? Since it's true that CO2 is necessary for life on Earth, more must obviously be better.

That explains why Venus, with an atmosphere of 96.5% carbon dioxide, is a lush, green, vibrant botanical garden. Man, I can't wait to visit someday!
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Sandi » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:18 am

ilikebeans wrote:I know, right? Since it's true that CO2 is necessary for life on Earth, more must obviously be better.

That explains why Venus, with an atmosphere of 96.5% carbon dioxide, is a lush, green, vibrant botanical garden. Man, I can't wait to visit someday!


No it explains nothing. Venus is hot and dry for many reasons, but an atmosphere of mostly CO2 is least of them. For one, fierce 220 mph blistering winds propel storms of sulfuric acid clouds around the planet. Also Venus is very much closer to the sun.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Stebben84 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:25 am

Sandi wrote:No it explains nothing.


Three words: runaway greenhouse effect. In many ways, Venus is a virtual twin of Earth. It has a similar size, mass and gravity as well as internal composition. But the one big difference is that Venus has a much thicker atmosphere. If you could stand on the surface of Venus, you would experience 93 times the atmospheric pressure we experience here on Earth; you’d have to dive down 1 km beneath the surface of the ocean to experience that kind of pressure. Furthermore, that atmosphere is made up almost entirely of carbon dioxide. As you’ve probably heard, carbon dioxide makes an excellent greenhouse gas, trapping heat from the Sun. The atmosphere of Venus allows the light from the Sun to pass through the clouds and down to the surface of the planet, which warms the rocks. But then the infrared heat from the warmed rocks is prevented from escaping by the clouds, and so the planet warmed up.

Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/47905/why- ... z35f11Goch


Why is Venus so hot?

Venus is so hot because it is surrounded by a very thick atmosphere which is about 100 times more massive than our atmosphere here on Earth. As sunlight passes through the atmosphere, it heats up the surface of Venus. Most of this heat cannot escape back into space because it is blocked by the very thick atmosphere of Venus. The heat becomes trapped and builds up to extremely high temperatures. This trapping of heat by the atmosphere is called the greenhouse effect because it is similar to how the glass in a greenhouse traps heat. The greenhouse effect on Venus causes the temperatures at its surface to reach 864 degrees Fahrenheit (462 degrees Celsius), making Venus the hottest planet in the entire Solar System!


http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/ ... us-so-hot-

Sandi wrote:Also Venus is very much closer to the sun.


But if the planets’ temperatures were determined only by their distance from the sun, you would expect Mercury to be the hottest planet. After all, it is closest to the sun. It orbits at an average distance of about 36 million miles, which means that it is nearly twice as close to the sun as Venus is. At yet Mercury’s average surface temperature — 333 degrees F — is more than 500 degrees lower than Venus’s.


The greenhouse effect that makes Venus such a hot place has been the subject of much scientific discussion about Earth in recent years. Many scientists think that our planet is gradually become warmer because human activities such as burning fossil fuels are causing an increase in carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping “greenhouse gases” in the atmosphere. An increase of even a few degrees could have far-reaching effects.


Unfortunately I'm letting pesky science invade my brain so you're probably thinking "pssffsadtstsfssttt"
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby DCB » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:20 am

Sandi wrote:Jeez rabble I have not declared victory. I have declared the IPCC to be a non-scientific political body. Which it is.

No, you said the IPCC models were debunked, which is a much different claim. It pretty much sounds like you declared victory.

So how do you square this:
Sandi wrote:What matters is scientific evidence. Ever hear of it?


with this?
Sandi wrote:Even if it was thousands of parts per million instead of around 400ppm, it would not change the climate substantially. It would make the earth greener.


May the ghost of Arrhenius haunt you for a thousand years!
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:40 pm

Realtors in North Carolina pushed the GOP controlled government to alter climate predictions.

The dangers of climate change were revealed to Willo Kelly in a government conference room in the summer of 2011. By the end of the century, state officials said, the ocean would be 39 inches higher and her home on the Outer Banks would be swamped.

The state had detailed maps to illustrate this claim and was developing a Web site where people could check by street address to see if their property was doomed. There was no talk of salvation, no plan to hold back the tide. The 39-inch forecast was “a death sentence,” Kelly said, “for ever trying to sell your house.”

So Kelly, a lobbyist for Realtors and home builders on the Outer Banks, resolved to prove the forecast wrong. And thus began one of the nation’s most notorious battles over climate change.

Coastal residents joined forces with climate skeptics to attack the science of global warming and persuade North Carolina’s Republican-controlled legislature to deep-six the 39-inch projection, which had been advanced under the outgoing Democratic governor. Now, the state is working on a new forecast that will look only 30 years out and therefore show the seas rising by no more than eight inches.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby rabble » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:51 pm

Well jeez. Why don't the denierists just let it go, and make themselves a pretty penny buying up all that cheap beachside property? If there ain't no global warming, then they'll all be just fine.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby snoqueen » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:07 pm

As for the rest of us, we're buying beachfront property in Duluth.

And I'm stuck trying to figure out how something can be twice as close to the sun as something else.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Sandi » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:56 pm

snoqueen wrote:As for the rest of us, we're buying beachfront property in Duluth.

And I'm stuck trying to figure out how something can be twice as close to the sun as something else.


Good place to buy would be North Carolina ( from Henry's link ). The sea level rise will scare many into selling cheap. It is safe from sea level rise as sea levels have not, and are not accelerating: if anything the increase has flattened off.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby jonnygothispen » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:08 pm

Sandi wrote:
What CO2 will do is hand our descendants a greener world that produces more food. CO2 is not polution that the EPA and alarmists would like everyone to believe. CO2 is a necessity for all life on earth. Even if it was thousands of parts per million instead of around 400ppm, it would not change the climate substantially. It would make the earth greener.

Keep your lips to the cool-aid jug.
Greener because when there is an overload of CO2, plants shut down the pores in their leaves to the photosynthesis process, and in turn use less water, which provides more water for other plants to spring up. Nature's self-defense mechanism.

The problem is still the fact that CO2 retains heat radiated from the Earth, and that the subsequent warming has melted ice over methane in swamps and the Arctic. And since methane retains 10 times more heat than CO2, you're now witnessing the beginning of an acceleration of global warming.
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