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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:42 pm

snoqueen wrote:
That said, strip away, the illegals, the 20 somethings that don't want insurance, the dummies who pay for cable, cell phone, eating out, iPads and flat screen TVs before they even consider healthcare, you have a few million hard-core cases that could be covered with vouchers. It's not that complicated.


Wait. Add in the college graduates with big student loans who are working at coffee shops, the young parents who are working double shifts at Stop n Go, the tech school students delivering pizzas, and just about anybody who didn't grab a $40K+ job after leaving school. Don't tell me they all don't "want" insurance. They're just paying rent, utilities, groceries, maybe child care, and transportation first. Sit down and do the numbers. What would you do?

How do people make anything else on your list work? Prioritize and stay on budget. Adjust lifestyle to means. Too bad government can't do the same?
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Detritus » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:42 pm

Detritus wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:That said, strip away, the illegals, the 20 somethings that don't want insurance, the dummies who pay for cable, cell phone, eating out, iPads and flat screen TVs before they even consider healthcare, you have a few million hard-core cases that could be covered with vouchers.

Speaking of "link fail," any evidence for your claim?

Still waiting, Nedders. Link, please.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby DCB » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:54 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:How do people make anything else on your list work? Prioritize and stay on budget. Adjust lifestyle to means. Too bad government can't do the same?

They do adjust. They prioritize having a little more food and maybe a somewhat safer apartment for the kids, and not having health insurance. Living in anxiety that a serious ( or even not so serious) health problem will (and often does) completely wipe them out financially. Or kill them.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:01 pm

The leading reason in the U.S. for personal bankruptcy is catastrophic medical bills incurred by those with inadequate or no health insurance. When those in countries that have universal care hear that, they are dumbfounded.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:09 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:The leading reason in the U.S. for personal bankruptcy is catastrophic medical bills incurred by those with inadequate or no health insurance. When those in countries that have universal care hear that, they are dumbfounded.

That's what the insurance part is about.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby snoqueen » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:27 pm

The more people who have insurance, the fewer bankruptcies. The fewer bankruptcies, the fewer businesses and banks having to write off losses.

Insurance good. Bankruptcy bad.

Even if all you care about is businesses and banks, you'd have to agree the more insured people the better.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby rabble » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:51 am

Time for a new tangent.

From Too Much:
Back in 1990, shouts a new study published last week in the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association, the United States ranked just 20th on life expectancy among the world’s 34 industrial nations. The United States now ranks 27th — despite spending much more on health care than any other nation.


I think Sandi's still got me blocked. Somebody wanna ask her how she knows we've got the best health care in the world?
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby snoqueen » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:46 am

rabble wrote:Time for a new tangent.

From Too Much:
Back in 1990, shouts a new study published last week in the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association, the United States ranked just 20th on life expectancy among the world’s 34 industrial nations. The United States now ranks 27th — despite spending much more on health care than any other nation.


I think Sandi's still got me blocked. Somebody wanna ask her how she knows we've got the best health care in the world?


Here ya go.

But all she's going to say is she gets good healthcare and anybody who can't is wrong, stupid, lazy, or expecting something for nothing.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby rabble » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:07 am

Yeah. And there appears to be another underlying reason that the researchers can't quite pin down:
“Even if we are rich, college-educated, white-skinned, and practice all the right health behaviors,” he notes, “similar people in other rich nations will live longer.”

or can they?
None of these determinants matter more, these researchers contend, than the level of a society’s economic inequality, the divide between the affluent and everyone else. Over 170 studies worldwide have so far linked income inequality to health outcomes. The more unequal a society, the studies show, the more unhealthy most everyone in it — and not the poor alone.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Stebben84 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14 am

I think New York drank a big glass of water:

Health care premiums on the individual market will tumble by at least 50 percent as a result of the Affordable Care Act, the New York Times reported on Wednesday. The state joins Oregon, Montana, California, and Louisiana in reporting lower than expected rates in the law’s new health care marketplaces.


Thanks To Obamacare, New Yorkers’ Health Insurance Premiums Will Plunge 50 Percent
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby snoqueen » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:35 am

NY is a reliably Democratic state in national elections. If Obamacare can do as well in Republican areas, especially ones where there is a lot of poverty, we can count it as highly successful in more than one way.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:01 am

Labour's day of shame over the NHS: Thousands of unnecessary deaths, 14 hospital trusts condemned, and now devastating report demolished Labour's claim that the NHS was safe in its hands

NHS England boss Bruce Keogh has published damning report on 14 trusts
'Not one of these has been given a clean bill of health,' Prof Keogh said
At some hospitals inspectors had to step in 'to avoid harm to patients'
11 hospitals placed in special measures after 'fundamental breaches of care'
'Hit squads' to take over from management, who could be sacked for failures
Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt blames 'incompetence and weak leadership'
David Cameron says last government guilty of cover-up to avoid 'bad news'
Tories call it Labour's 'darkest moment', blaming minister Andy Burnham
Despite Labour's billions there simply weren't enough nurses for patients

Mr Burnham says it's a 'smear' and problems were on Jeremy Hunt's 'watch'

Labour faced its ‘darkest moment’ yesterday over its stewardship of the Health Service as a devastating report laid bare an appalling catalogue of failings at 11 hospitals where ‘thousands’ of patients needlessly died.

Voters are told that Labour is the only party in whose hands the NHS is safe, but David Cameron and Jeremy Hunt said the study proved the opposite to be true.


Labour had presided, they said, over a culture of ‘cover-up’ where targets were more important than people and ministers’ reputations more important than care.


A damning review by the NHS medical director, Sir Bruce Keogh, into 14 hospitals with higher-than-expected death rates found that all had ‘ingredients’ of Mid Staffs, the hospital where up to 1,200 died on filthy wards


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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:08 am

Again, what does that have to do with health care reform in the U.S., especially considering the massive number of deaths in our country due to lack of health care for the uninsured?
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Archipants » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:09 am

Ned Flanders wrote:Labour's day of shame over the NHS: Thousands of unnecessary deaths, 14 hospital trusts condemned, and now devastating report demolished Labour's claim that the NHS was safe in its hands ... ...

Jesus f'ing Christ, Ned. What the hell does this random quote have to do with the Affordable Care Act?
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:21 am

Gee, I have no idea...
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