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The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby bdog » Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:55 am

Donald wrote: If you vote in every election the precinct people get to know who you are.

Maybe if you live in Mayberry.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby HawkHead » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:12 am

Sandi wrote:
snoqueen wrote:And still they vote for him by huge margins.

Tell us why you think that is.


Quite likely most are low info voters, who decide on sound bites, and pay zero attention to what goes on in the real world.

That actually happens with both parties, but the dis-information from the left is far more extreme.


How do the lady parts stop a woman from getting pregnant when she is raped?
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby HawkHead » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:17 am

bdog wrote:
Donald wrote: If you vote in every election the precinct people get to know who you are.

Maybe if you live in Mayberry.


Maybe in Madison, before we were moved to the Blackhawk church for voting I knew most of the people at the polling station by first name. I am trying to do the same at Blackhawk. It is easier to learn names during the primaries and local elections when the lines are short.

And I always thank them for taking time out of their day to work at the polls.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby Donald » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:23 am

bdog wrote:
Donald wrote: If you vote in every election the precinct people get to know who you are.

Maybe if you live in Mayberry.

I live in Madison. Madison must be a lot like Mayberry. The precinct people here generally work every election. I vote every election. I got to know them over the course of a couple years of consistently showing up at the polls. When I vote late in the day, they comment, "We knew you'd be in. We weren't going to close until you voted."

I realize students are more mobile, so establishing a relationship with the election officials is more difficult. But for most, It should take two years of consistently showing up at the polls to be recognized as a regular voter.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby snoqueen » Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:33 pm

Lefties' dream today is the same as it was then: to latch on to differences, to institutionalize them, to magnify and sanctify perceived slights, to incite animosity. You've made a deity of race, - race card, race baiting, race hustling, race worshiping. It can never go away because it has become an immortal part of the liberal doctrine.

This message is conveyed to the modern black youth: however your life turns out, it's not your fault - it's their fault. If you're upset about what someone has that you don't - you should be. Whatever you do, it's justified. However you treat people, it doesn't matter. Your life would be better, except for them. Those other people, those white people, are bad. They're the reason you don't get high test scores: it's their kind of books, their kind of schools, their kind of learning. If you do something bad, you should get away with it. They should pay, not you. If you do something to them, it's not a big deal - that's life. If they do something to you, it's a really bad thing, that's racist.


As long as you believe half of America (or more) subscribes to this pile of made-up poo, we'll never get anyplace on this forum or in this country. The counterpart is conservatives believe everybody should have a gun and carry it wherever they go, we should have no government except maybe for an army, taxation is confiscation, public schools indoctrinate our youth into socialism and the gay agenda, and the world was created 8000 years ago.

You've made enough sense on this forum in the past for me to believe you are not as stupid as you sometimes portray yourself. So let go of the rhetoric about how everyone to the left of, say, Joe Manchin is an extremist and come back when you want to actually have a conversation.

The conversation could actually be about race, which is an extremely complex issue where a good starting point is seeing (and discussing) non-white people as individuals. Just like, say, conservatives are individuals with a range of different viewpoints and attributes.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby pjbogart » Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:24 pm

Ah, Bludgeon, the Grand Poohbah of the party of perpetual whining.

Oh, woe is me! Affirmative action took my seat in graduate school! Then some black guy got the job I really wanted because of affirmative action! Then my taxes went up because I had to pay for all the black people to have free phones, welfare and food stamps while driving around in their Cadillacs with custom rims! There's no justice in this world for a middle class white guy, we're just at the mercy of all these minorities stealing our money!

I'm not a racist, but when I got fired for calling a co-worker the N-word I explained to my boss that my co-worker uses the word all the time, so it's racist if you tell me that I can't. It's my FREEDOM OF SPEECH to say whatever I want, whenever I want and no one can criticize me. He fired me anyway! Freedom hating liberal commie bastard!

Oh how I long for the days when middle class white males can walk down the street without being attacked by blacks, illegals, bull dykes, fairies, hippies, femi-nazis, towelheads, Chi-coms, reporters working for the LSM, liberal progressives, government agents and police officers enforcing the four restraining orders against me.

You guys just don't understand how hard it is to be white these days.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby Bludgeon » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:03 am

Snow I have to believe you can recognize the hyperbole in the parts of my post that you quoted, given a second chance. Rebuking PJ's racial fetishism is, however, beyond warranted. Again:

Bludge to Peej wrote:I mean have you heard the speech? It takes but a little empathy and understanding to realize that when he says, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character," he's talking about letting go of prejudices.

But here you sit, coveting them.

And coveting them he is.

The point of the hyperbole in what follows is that hyperbole is a great tool to point out the absurdity of the degree to which many such as PJ on the left here, have have gone in this effectual deification of 'race' in ideological politics. People outside of doctrinal liberalism can see the shark is being jumped, but worse than that they see an unhealthy fascination with race that goes beyond reason and rationality, to arrive in such a dark place as we can discern in the OP.

When bdog says, "I think you need to lay off cruising the right wing sites. Can't you get into something more moderate?" that's the call of a rationalist to someone bordering on extremism. Being that Peej is normally more apt to be here in the shallows with the rest of us, you really shouldn't encourage this behavior.

But he's not alone in it. I have heard people I otherwise respect say things like, "It's impossible for a black person to be racist; and impossible for a woman to be sexist," -- in serious conversation with people who agree with them.

Obviously, despite all pretense of appearances, those are two bigoted statements. If ever there were a racist or sexist assertion, those are them. It's dehumanizing to suggest a group of people are in this regard, only capable of good. I think a notion like that illustrates just what I've been saying - that many liberals and academics more indulgent than yourself have doctrinalized the concept of race and put it in a context where it does not belong.

Look at 'Liberation Theology', which comes to mind now. I am always talking about the danger of elevating social politics to the place one's religion ought to be. Liberation theology is a good illustration of the folly of doing so. Intentionally or not, that's what he's engaging in. Social theology, doctrinal liberalism, racial fetishism, split the hairs, there they are.

Non Sequitur: I'm often remarking lately that, much as I wish they were, most people are not cut out to be atheists -- take away religion, and they just make one of their own. I reflect that maybe, probably, most people are just better off being devout to some faith because in that case, ostensibly, they can keep their faith where faith belongs, and leave their reason to the temporal world.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby Stella_Guru » Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:27 am

Donald wrote: Obama doesn't get all that excited by the race baiting. He knows he holds power.

He holds power as long as it is in service of the white racist global capitalist order.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby DCB » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:30 am

Donald wrote:I realize students are more mobile, so establishing a relationship with the election officials is more difficult. But for most, It should take two years of consistently showing up at the polls to be recognized as a regular voter.

I think its nice that you're on a first name basis with your poll workers.

But that shouldn't be a requirement for having your vote counted.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby wack wack » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:38 am

Sandi wrote:That actually happens with both parties, but the dis-information from the left is far more extreme.


Betcha got this from Fox "News", didn't you? You betcha.

As Sno made the point previously: you are better than this. Not good, but better than this.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby pjbogart » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:43 am

Bludgeon wrote:But he's not alone in it. I have heard people I otherwise respect say things like, "It's impossible for a black person to be racist; and impossible for a woman to be sexist," -- in serious conversation with people who agree with them.


Well, I'll grant you this, Bludgie, at least you're attempting to have a rational conversation rather than simply flinging shit, which is what I'm doing. Mostly I don't think Republicans talking about race are really interested in a conversation, so there's really no need to reason with them. Like when confronted with real instances of oppressive behavior like voter suppression, Republicans immediately go to their fallback position of "black people are racists". It's not even a response, really. It's just a childish game of "I know you are but what am I?"

But assuming that you have benevolent intentions and honestly believe that the Republican Party is better suited to improve the lives of black Americans, what efforts can you point to over the past 30 years that would illustrate such intentions? And these need to be acts independent of ordinary Republican politics such as "we need to get rid of welfare because it creates a culture of dependence." You can pretty much use that excuse to attack any government spending, which everyone knows is your real aim anyway.

And you might consider a charm offensive to woo some black voters as well. For instance, when a rodeo clown dons an Obama mask and twiddles his big negro lips, you might consider calling that inappropriate at a state-funded event instead of hailing the clown as a hero, inviting him to your congressional district and crowing about his right to free speech. Or when a man stalks and murders a black teenager you might consider condemning racial profiling instead of foaming at the mouth in his defense and then propping him up as some sort of bizarre, patriotic hero.

When election time rolls around next year, you should consider knocking on some doors and explaining to minority voters exactly how this culture of dependence is ruining their lives, rather than dropping off pamphlets which inform them that their voting precinct has changed or that they need to vote on Wednesday instead of Tuesday. It also might help if you drew congressional districts that ensured some minority representation in the congress, rather than taking great pains to carve out districts that prevent them from sending "one of their own" to the halls of congress.

The perception that Republicans are the party of racists was not born out of malicious propaganda of the left, it's a realization by minorities that when they use their eyes and ears, they see and hear racism out of Republican politicians on a daily basis. You aren't likely to vote for someone who appears to detest you. So the next time you hear some conservative blathering on about Obamaphones, take it upon yourself to educate them and let them know that, in fact, the program that provides subsidized phone service to poor individuals was passed by Ronald Reagan and expanded to cellular service by George W. Bush. Obama had nothing to do with it. Use your conservative cred to bust a few myths... they don't listen to anything that isn't reliably conservative.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby rabble » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:50 am

wack wack wrote:
Sandi wrote:That actually happens with both parties, but the dis-information from the left is far more extreme.


Betcha got this from Fox "News", didn't you? You betcha.

As Sno made the point previously: you are better than this. Not good, but better than this.

Sandi has said more than once that she doesn't spend much time reading Fox. They pander to the left too much.

From the sites she links to (other than the lists after "google is your friend) I think she's either got her own set of links to approved rightwing news feeds or she's using one of the conservative bastions like Freep.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby pjbogart » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:00 am

Oh, and Bludgeon, you might want to send a friendly email to Tucker Carlson and Ann Coulter:

On Saturday’s broadcast of “Justice with Judge Jeanine” on the Fox News Channel, conservative commentator Ann Coulter took aim at the media for its handling of interracial crime, accusing it of playing up rare white-on-black crime while ignoring the more prevalent black-on-white crime.

Coulter, author of “Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama,” blamed President Barack Obama for the phenomenon and cited Justice Department statistics on interracial rape to make her case.

“It was much worse in the ’70s, ’80s,” Coulter said. “We’re getting back to it. Obama brought it all back and that’s this racial etiquette from the media. They don’t report on the much more common black-on-white crime, but the very rare man-bites-dog story of white-on-black crime — that gets covered hysterically not because it is a man-bites-dog story, but they act as if, ‘No, this is all too common, it’s the racism in America.’ No, it is very rare. In one example of my book — rape cases, interracial rape cases, the number of black-on-white rapes going back 15 years, 15 years there are about 1,000-to-2,000 a year black-on-white rapes. For 15 years according to the Department of Justice victimization surveyd, the number of white-on-black rapes are either 0.0 or sample too small for a number.”


Ignoring the statistics that Coulter relies upon (even cautiously assuming that they're correct), do you suppose that racial harmony is achieved by equating "white on black" crime to "man bites dog"? Ann Coulter isn't accidentally being offensive, her analogy is perfectly intentionally insensitive. Why? Because her audience loves it. And who makes up her audience? Republicans.

Man Bites Dog
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby wack wack » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:14 am

rabble wrote:Sandi has said more than once that she doesn't spend much time reading Fox. They pander to the left too much.

From the sites she links to (other than the lists after "google is your friend) I think she's either got her own set of links to approved rightwing news feeds or she's using one of the conservative bastions like Freep.


Fair enough. I blame Fox because that's the only place I hear the stuff she comes up with, but I am not too familiar with the righter-than-right outlets.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby DCB » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:11 pm

PJ, MediaMatters is doing your homework for you:
Ingraham ran through a list of African-American crime rates before hosting Pat Buchanan, a prominent racist with white nationalist ties. Buchanan dismissed the idea that minorities suffer any disadvantages in contemporary America, calling the idea "absurd" because "black folks excel and are hugely popular figures in everything from sports to entertainment to athletics to politics. Everywhere you go ... So the progress has been enormous."

I know, pretty much your standard "we cured racism so don't play the race card" nonsense. But Ingraham kicks it up a notch:
At one point during her broadcast, Ingraham began playing a clip of Lewis' speech from the 50th anniversary rally, before interrupting the playback of his comments with the sound of a loud gunshot.

Klassy!
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