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Is Hillary too old?

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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby pjbogart » Mon May 19, 2014 9:46 pm

Yeah, Hillary's too old. As in, "I'm sick of hearing about how she's already been elected the next President" kind of old.

Sanders/Warren 2016. They'd probably lose, but at least I'd cast my vote with pride.
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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby Donald » Mon May 19, 2014 9:46 pm

Too old for what? I think she knows the kind of effort and dedication it takes to be President. I think she'll figure out whether she thinks she has the energy and desire in the next few months.

Cognitively, things are relative. Let's assume she loses a couple of IQ points per year after age 65. Even with some slippage during her eight years as President, she would be way, way above any of her potential Republican challengers.

And I've found age provides a lot more wisdom. When you are older you realize you've heard and dished out and reacted to about all the bs there is, so you are much more likely to cut through the bull, both others' and your own.

If I were a Republican, I'd wonder about the cognitive abilities on my own side. Can anyone assure us that someone like Rove or the Tea Party won't provide us another GW Bush or Herman Cain?

Clearly, Paul Ryan is no intellectual giant, and neither is Scott Walker. Ted Cruz and Rand Paul are intelligent, but both have cuckoo sides that probably make them unelectable. Jeb Bush might be the smartest Bush, but, hey, fool me once shame on you, fool me...won't be fooled again. Barbara Bush had it right. Rick Perry? Oops.
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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby snoqueen » Mon May 19, 2014 10:03 pm

gargantua wrote:Sounds trite, but 69 is not as old as it used to be. I don't know if Hillary is too old. For many people, it probably would be, but by no means all people. I think if she is too old, it would start to show during the course of the campaign.

I may be a minority of one, but I'm not convinced that she'll decide to run.


Me either.
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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby Stella_Guru » Tue May 20, 2014 6:36 am

pjbogart wrote:Sanders/Warren 2016.

Classic feel good bait and switch candidates who will be deemed unelectable at some point. Progressives will be then told to support someone who can win like the corporate imperialist Hillary.
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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby wack wack » Tue May 20, 2014 8:47 am

Huckleby wrote:The Republicans seem to have a lot of young, credible candidates:


Yeah? Like who?

Huckleby wrote:Rubio, Christy, maybe Scott Walker, other governors.


Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were setting up a joke.

Turn off the national media, Huck; these are not viable candidates. Seriously.
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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue May 20, 2014 10:38 am

Age is the least of her problems.
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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby rabble » Tue May 20, 2014 10:47 am

Ned Flanders wrote:Age is the least of her problems.

I'm not so sure. The Clinton Hate Machine is a little rusty since the GOP switched over to Obama, the ACA, and the Tea Party. They can certainly mount a smear and fear campaign of some import but not nearly as powerful as they could have eight years ago.
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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby nutria » Tue May 20, 2014 10:57 am

Ned Flanders wrote:Age is the least of her problems.


Please, do tell.
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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Tue May 20, 2014 10:59 am

rabble wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:Age is the least of her problems.

I'm not so sure. The Clinton Hate Machine is a little rusty since the GOP switched over to Obama, the ACA, and the Tea Party. They can certainly mount a smear and fear campaign of some import but not nearly as powerful as they could have eight years ago.



Is the Clinton Hate Machine too old?


I don't think Clinton's age really matters as much as how old/tired she appears to be during the campaign. That could be a major issue if she is running against a candidate 15-20 years younger again.
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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby Huckleby » Tue May 20, 2014 12:52 pm

wack wak wrote:
Huckleby wrote:Rubio, Christy, maybe Scott Walker, other governors.


Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were setting up a joke.

Turn off the national media, Huck; these are not viable candidates. Seriously.


I did not think Ronald Reagan or George Bush II were strong candidates when they ran. (And GB nearly won in 2000!)

The country tends to turn against the party in power, especially after an 8-year term. Things are not all that great in the economy.
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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby bdog » Tue May 20, 2014 1:00 pm

It’s not the years, honey, it’s the mileage.

— Indiana Jones
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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Tue May 20, 2014 1:09 pm

Huckleby wrote:I did not think Ronald Reagan or George Bush II were strong candidates when they ran. (And GB nearly won in 2000!)


You didn't think at the time or you don't think now? Reagan absolutely dominated both elections. Both electorally and in the popular vote. Granted he wasn't exactly taking on the toughest candidates but still, only Obama's spanking of McCain compares since then.
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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby Huckleby » Tue May 20, 2014 1:26 pm

Francis Di Domizio wrote:You didn't think at the time or you don't think now?
I had the verb tense correct. Now you're making me tense - grammar arguments bring out my mean streak.

I was thinking about the elections that brought a new party to power.
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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby Gentle Man » Tue May 20, 2014 2:03 pm

I'd say shame on you for even asking the question. Is Obama too Black to be President? Racism isn't acceptable, but ageism is?

I don't like Hillary Clinton, but that's due to her dishonesty and not her age. I think the only person who really ought to ask if she's too old is Hillary herself.

Hell, your average pope was probably present at the last supper.
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Re: Is Hillary too old?

Postby Huckleby » Tue May 20, 2014 2:20 pm

Gentle Man wrote: Racism isn't acceptable, but ageism is?


Yes. 30-year olds are discriminated against, they aren't allowed to run for president.

Reagan was slowing down his second term, he had his bad days. Being older carries extra risks.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/politi ... _from.html

Look at Robert Byrd as an old man in office, that was absurd.

Voters have legitimate reasons to consider age.
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