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How to convince women to learn self-defence?

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Postby zoobie » Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:01 pm

robbie webber wrote:Answer: Sometimes you can't convince them. They are in denial. It's a human trait. You can only be there for them when they fail. You can also model good habits with your friends, family, neighbors, and work associates.

Gently prod them to good habits, don't hit them over the head, and drop the scare tactics. It just makes people more resistant.


I'll bet you're right, although that's far from comforting.
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Re: Train hard and stay safe!

Postby Velveeta » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:09 pm

zoobie wrote:
Velveeta wrote:You have to understand that if someone doesn't want to learn your brand of self-defense, that doesn't mean they wouldn't or couldn't fight in such a situation. The best self defense classes I have ever had were more about trusting your gut(if you feel in danger, you probably are), taking control of situations, and using your voice.


Please go back and reread my first post. Opening a school and taking on more than a tiny number of students (which I already have, and I'm not charging them anything) is years down the road. Of course most people will resist when someone is on top of them although without training the odds are heavily stacked against them. It doesn't matter if people fight like me, only that they fight well.


I read all of your previous posts, and chose not to believe you were as arrogant as you sounded, until now.

Whether you are accepting money or not is irrelevant. You are trying to sell something (even if it's just your own point of view). You keep getting indignant when people suggest you are selling and no one is insulting you by saying that. As women, we are merely critiquing your method, which is bad.

If you react to every women who doesn't want to learn your brand of self-defense by speaking to them in the way that you are writing on this form, you are not helping your cause. When you say that by not wanting to learn what wisdom and technique that you are teaching makes someone "not resist evil' and "let the guy stick it in and get therapy afterwards", well, you just sound like a basketcase.

And not having coffee is no excuse for that kind of degrading shit. I have seen no trolls in this particular thread, just a lot of people with points of view. Supposedly that's what your first post was asking for: opinions.
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Postby zoobie » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:25 pm

I accept your criticism and thanks for your well thought out posting. I should learn to wait and think about what to say before responding emotionally, especially about topics for which I care deeply. Sorry for being heavy handed.
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Postby zoobie » Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:44 pm

I work with a kid who has a ba in marketing. I think I'll talk with him about this. It'll be interesting to hear his unemotional take on this. Obviously my business acumen is lacking

I come from a very traditional training environment where the teachers never want money standing in the way of someone training. Poor? Got no money but you genuinely want to train? Then train, no problem. That attitude contrasted with the pervasive strip mall dojos that use colored belts because they can't be bothered to learn your name and skill level and won't let you in the door untill you sign a 18 month guaranteed black belt contract with mandatory e.f.t. credit card payment leaves me a bit haughty and indignant when I hear that I just want a school to make money. There's very little money to be made in martial arts unless you really sell your soul and pimp t-shirts ninja-bars and obnoxious embroidered patches.
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Postby floatingstick » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:28 pm

zoobie, I do sense that you mean well and that someday you and your wife may run a successful martial arts school. And I wish you luck. I believe martial arts to be a spectacular and worthy pursuit.

I am, however, wondering how your martial arts training has not seemed to have had the effect of keeping your head level. You seem a little hair-trigger, if you don't mind my saying so.

I am well familiar with a strip-mall dojo. Most dojos don't make enough money for a stand-alone facility, so I'm not clear what your implication is, or where you would intend to open your own business. The clientele at this dojo is 50% female (adults and youth), so instead of dismissing your potential competitors so snarkily, perhaps you could observe what it is that they are doing right.

Additionally, of the many "strip-mall" instructors I've had personal contact with, not a one has acted in the way that you outline. They are personable, they know everyone's name and situation, and they are pretty calm men and women for a group which can so poetically kick ass.

I would agree about the contracts. Why not market yourself as a no-contract, drop-ins-welcome, comparatively-low-fee kind of place? And without the condescension? I agree with mrak... anecdotal conversations with women you happen to encounter is not a marketing plan. You need a pro. And for heaven's sake, stop acting so coy about money. You won't get a fifty-cent loan at a bank with that talk. The difference between doing what you're doing now, and going the next step to start a business, is to make enough beaver pelts to feed your family, have a little fun in life, and expand your teaching, no?
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Train hard and stay safe!

Postby zoobie » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:29 pm

floatingstick wrote:I am, however, wondering how your martial arts training has not seemed to have had the effect of keeping your head level. You seem a little hair-trigger, if you don't mind my saying so.


Well, it's a lot easier and safer to run off at the mouth on an anonymous forum :oops:

I'm much more tolerant on the street, jack-assery often leads to violence and I don't care to have the police show up and give me a knife-ectomy even if my knives or asp don't come out of my pocket (can't see why they would.) Walking away is much easier than getting off of work to show up for court.

Also, considering that I do intend to teach under my own name someday I can't afford to have a laundry list of violations that go along with smiting people so I avoid situations where dumb situations are likely to occur, namely taverns. You can't change minds with your fists.
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Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:38 pm

Have you ever seen Billy Jack? Kinda reminds me.

btw, does anyone know if Tom Laughlin is still kicking?
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Here's some interesting links for women

Postby zoobie » Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:12 am

NRA Women
http://www.nrahq.org/women/index.asp
Refuse To Be A Victim
http://www.nrahq.org/rtbav/
NRA Childrens Safety
http://www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/


Self-Defense - A Human Right
http://www.a-human-right.com/

Armed Females Of America Links
http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/resources.htm

Women Against Gun Control
http://www.wagc.com/

Arming Women Against Rape & Endangerment
http://www.aware.org/

Women's Voice
http://www.gunowners.org/womensvoice.htm

The Liberty Belles
http://www.libertybelles.org/


Women & Guns
http://www.womenandguns.com

Stephanie's Self Defense
http://buelt.tripod.com/defense.htm

Safety for Women And Responsible Motherhood
http://www.tcarlson.ca/swarm.txt

JPFO
http://www.jpfo.org/index.htm

The American Women's Self Defense Association
http://www.awsda.org/

Stay safe people :D
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