Stebben84 wrote:Let me add, since it was part of the discussion, that I have entertained leaving Wisconsin because of its shitty politics. I can only do so much to make this a great state, but there comes a point when I can't take it anymore. Am I a quitter?
I never felt like my birthplace in New England was home. My parents were both from Canada, my mother from the french part. Were my grandparents quitters for emigrating? Am I a quitter because I kept looking for a home till I found one that felt right? I quit all those other places I lived, and now I'm going to quit this place (in about six or seven years) unless it gets its fucking act together.
I find a large part of the answer in the fact that the only
person to say we're quitters because we're thinking about moving is remember. And he's basing a large part of his reasoning on some vacations he took.
And what happens when you start not liking the place you move to? Or the place after that? And so on? If things get so bad here you want to leave how do you know your destination country isn't next? We have a recession here and the world
feels it. So what will our crash do to where you want to go?
At what point do you say I like it here and I've made this place my home and to the people who want to change that you're going to have a fight coming?? How do you justify just rolling over? That's what I don't get.
For the people who think it would just be interesting to try living elsewhere for awhile, or forever even, I can understand that. Especially someone like you who has strong ties to a different country already. I get that and don't begrudge someone who's always felt like this wasn't really home.
I'm pretty much responding to the OP which stated that if times get a little rough that instead of fighting back it would just be easier to cut and run. I guess I just don't understand that mentality.
And yes, I DO love my country. I'm not walking around with flag pants and a matching tshirt and barking at others about their lack of perceived patriotism. But I see a chance to unite and fight this uncertainty and division... not just give up and start packing because of it. Could you imagine if that was everybody's
I don't need to have lived in a different country to feel this way.
But I DO know that if America starts tanking in the way some people here think, the countries they've mentioned will probably fare worse as a result. So it becomes a matter of where do you want to be when things start going to shit? The place you know, were born, have friends and family, etc?
Or some foreign country that you thought was nice when you vacationed it's shiny areas however long ago?
You don't have to live abroad to know that America is best equipped to deal with basically any kind of gloom and doom vs other areas of the world.
That's just common sense.
Oh yeah, and if all it takes is me telling someone to fuck off to make me akin to Ted Nugent, then we sure do have a lot of Ted Nugents running around here.