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State of the Onion Adress...

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Did the State of the Union Address change your outlook?

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State of the Onion Adress...

Postby donges » Tue Jan 20, 2004 9:42 pm

So...
how many of the folk in attendance (especially including Cheney) do ya think look forward to this slanted speech with all the interminable standing ovations and sitting back down. Seems more difficult to the elderly bone structure than a catholic high mass.
Also, anyone notice the shots (on cnn at least) of Ted Kennedy's constant negative head shaking?
But, I loved the spontaneous applause when dubya mentioned that portions of the patriot act would expire next year. He looked disgusted. I found it quite humorous.
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Postby donges » Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:27 pm

Just to keep things fair, Daschle and Perosi both were wooden headed teleprompter readers.
I was waiting for a bombastic retort. Instead, I got a barely literate (complete with uncomfortable pauses) boilerplate response.
I am despondant....but not necessarily surprised.
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Re: State of the Onion Adress...

Postby jjoyce » Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:29 pm

donges wrote:Also, anyone notice the shots (on cnn at least) of Ted Kennedy's constant negative head shaking?


I think that's a Katherine Hepburn type of deal.
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Re: State of the Onion Adress...

Postby donges » Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:32 pm

jjoyce wrote:I think that's a Katherine Hepburn type of deal.

Are you trying for a "On Golden Pond" metaphor to the current political climate? Loons....yes!
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Not to read anything into it...

Postby donges » Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:35 pm

I just heard that the number of applause breaks in this speech was 69.
Just coincidence? Does this have anything to do with dubya's call for a constitutional amendment to define marriage?
:lol:
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Postby Michael Patrick » Wed Jan 21, 2004 5:15 am

Say it with me: "Weapons of mass destruction program related activities."

Not "Weapons of mass destruction."

Not "Weapons of mass destruction programs."

Not "Weapons of mass destruction program activities."

But "Weapons of mass destruction program related activities."

Them are weasel words if'n I ever heard weasel words.
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Postby phinneas boote » Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:00 am

I slept through most of it last night, just read the transcript on Fox News. Talk about being absolutely devoid of anything meaningful.

It does appear that the Boy George wants to keep on spending and spending and spending. Is he hoping to cash in on a bunch of new votes by dolling out $300 million to the approx. 600,000 prisoners to be released this year? Where the hell did this program come from? Why are we going to spend an assload of money on job training for newly released prisoners when we've already got a ton of non-law-breaking people out there who can't find jobs? That just doesn't make sense. Maybe he's just hoping to funnel them directly into those types of jobs where they'll now be able to make minimum wage, work 60+ hours a week, and get absolutely no overtime whatsoever. If the one plan is connected to the other, it's a master stroke of you-scratch-my-back brilliance in allegiance with his corporate pals. I gotta suggestion: Try decriminalizing marijuana, and our prison populations will fall off immediately, and in a huge way.

You know, in the end, it's really us (the common, average citizens of this country) that are to blame for all this. We continue to allow ourselves to live within a political construct that is really just all smoke and mirrors. The only candidates we ever get to hear about are those that please huge corporate sponsors enough so that they give him the money and the press time needed in order to put on a dog and pony show, I mean campaign.

So much to say about what's wrong with the so-called leadership of this country, so little time.
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Postby Steve Vokers » Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:04 am

That's $300 million over four years on job training for released prisoners. Which sounds impressive until you do the math.

He said there are 600,000 prisoners released each year, or 2,400,000 over four years. Which means he plans to spend a whopping $125 on each prisoner.
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Postby phinneas boote » Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:13 am

My bad, so it's four years instead of one. So that's $150 million each year. It's still $150 million we don't have. Maybe these people can't qualify for regular job training programs for one reason or another, I don't know. If that's the case, change that. Increase funding for job training programs that already exist. Let newly released prisoners walk straight into society and feel like they're welcomed, instead of shoving them all into a program filled with nothing but ex-cons. Not being an idiot, I can only assume that one of the major reasons for wanting to create a new program, specifically designed for reintegrating ex-cons into the workplace, is to identify them as such and probably track them. Otherwise, wouldn't you just say, "here's a job training program that already exists in your area, go there"??
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Postby Steve Vokers » Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:19 am

phinneas boote wrote:My bad, so it's four years instead of one. So that's $150 million each year.


I'll cut you some slack because it's still early... $300 million divided by four years = $75 million a year. :wink:
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Postby phinneas boote » Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:35 am

Shit, I'm now felling lucky that I've actually been able to type coherently. I obviously was using the 600,000 figure in my head.
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Postby white_rabbit » Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:21 am

I too enjoyed the spontaneous applause when dumbya mentioned the expiring unPatriot Act and his pissed off look.

What I really want to know is how is it that when judges rule in favor of equal marriage rights for all citizens it is "imposing" their views on citizens? Please explain to me like I'm a 5 year old how it is that if I want to marry my partner it is imposing views on some Texas hick in the White House? Isn't it the other way around? Are not the 'christians' imposing their views on me?
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Postby SIZZAW » Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:42 am

My favorite moment was when he was blithering on about the economy (or was it education, it all made me laugh?) and how it is improving. CBS promptly went to a shot of Rick Santorum.

That summed up how I felt about the speech. It was all Santorum.

Thank you, Mr Savage, for making that insufferable piece of regime hype tolerable, if only for a moment.
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Postby phinneas boote » Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:45 am

Silly Rabbit, don't you know that this is a Christian country with good Christian family values at the core of its being ... such as:

Pride: Excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity. We are, afterall, the greatest country on the face of the planet earth; and therefore should be able to do whatever the hell we want.

Envy: The desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation. Um, let's see ... infatuation with Hollywood and its "stars" ... need I say more?

Gluttony: An inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires. Not only are we the fattest country on the planet, but can you say "deficit spending" and "national debt"?

Lust: An inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body. USA ... porn capitol of the world!!!

Anger: Manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath. War on Terror, War on Drugs, unilateralism in foreign policy ... blah blah blah.

Greed: The desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness. Welcome to the heart of global capitalism, where even the preachers milk the spiritually-seeking masses for their own profit.

Sloth: The avoidance of physical or spiritual work. Personally, I don't see a lot of this one anywhere; but the more right-leaning people in this country would point to welfare recpients as being the guilty ones here. What's wrong with laziness anyway? It seems to work for the rest of the animal kingdom.

What a fine example of Christian values and virtues this great land is.

I believe that your question may best be answered in this way. A judge is imposing his or her views on the American people when he or she grants equal freedoms/rights/priveleges to those who had not previously enjoyed the same rights as everyone else, because the had previously been discriminated against. That's part one. Part two is the fact that these rights now granted them, while doing absolutely no harm to anyone else or affecting their life in any way, go against the moral foundations of those who've enjoyed those same rights all along and believe them to be for exclusive benefit of them and their own kind. Part three is the fact that marriage arose first and foremost as a religious thing, so enacting any law or granting any freedoms that work within the realm of the religious is an encroachment upon the separation of church and state; even though the law does not require any one religious institution to allow for marriages of people whom they feel should not be married within their own guidelines. It's just the fact that they now have the right to do something that wasn't previously allowed that scares the hell out of people.

I'm as confused as you on that whole thing. One thing I am certain of though, is that this country is still at risk from terrorist attacks; and we must all rally around our president in support of the war on terror, and this necessarily means doing everything he says in order to protect ourselves against the evil that lurks in the shadows ... such as perfectly nice, law-abiding American citizens who happen to be gay and would like to get married.

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Re: From the other side...

Postby Donald » Wed Jan 21, 2004 12:54 pm

donges wrote:Just to keep things fair, Daschle and Perosi both were wooden headed teleprompter readers.
I was waiting for a bombastic retort. Instead, I got a barely literate (complete with uncomfortable pauses) boilerplate response.
I am despondant....but not necessarily surprised.

Yeah, all we need is Dean up there acting all nuts like he did the night before to show the country how the Democrats are going to govern the country. I thought the Democratic response was fairly good at drawing out some of the major differences/issues. Bush was able to incorporate some good human interest stuff by way of illustrating his points. This makes him appear sympathetic to a lot of people. It's hard in a short response to do that, though Daschle tried.
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