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Copyright infringement not allowed

Postby admin » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:33 am

Posts may contain excerpts from news articles or other pieces in keeping with fair use, but any posts containing longer verbatim passages from other publications will be deleted without warning.

Also, any posts that are blatant attempts to "troll" will be deleted without warning. Repeated attempts to "troll" will result in account deactivation.
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Re: Copyright infringement now allowed

Postby chance » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:11 am

admin wrote:. . . any posts that are blatant attempts to "troll" will be deleted without warning. Repeated attempts to "troll" will result in account deactivation.

Justice Potter Stewart famously said of pornography that he would not attempt to define it "but I know it when I see it". Kind of the same deal with â??trollingâ?Â
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Re: Copyright infringement now allowed

Postby MakeBushKing » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:12 am

admin wrote:Posts may contain excerpts from news articles or other pieces in keeping with fair use, but any posts containing longer verbatim passages from other publications will be deleted without warning.

Also, any posts that are blatant attempts to "troll" will be deleted without warning. Repeated attempts to "troll" will result in account deactivation.


Can you please explain "blatant attempts to 'troll'" so I don't violate forum 'policy?' You have my email address if you prefer.

Thank You,
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Re: Copyright infringement now allowed

Postby Chuck_Schick » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:20 am

chance wrote:Isnâ??t there a way to collect the IP address that posts originate from?

Sure there is, but it's hardly a solution to the issue you raise. For example, two forons posting from the same bank of public computer workstations in the local library are liable to show up here with the same IP address because of the common firewall they're directed through.

But it's a nice thought.
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Re: Copyright infringement now allowed

Postby BobArctor » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:21 am

admin wrote:Also, any posts that are blatant attempts to "troll" will be deleted without warning. Repeated attempts to "troll" will result in account deactivation.

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Re: Copyright infringement now allowed

Postby Billy Shears » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:25 am

admin wrote:Also, any posts that are blatant attempts to "troll" will be deleted without warning. Repeated attempts to "troll" will result in account deactivation.

The fair use and long verbatim cutnpaste rules are a good idea, but I think you should let the little bushie keep trolling. Just force him to actually, like, write stuff instead of pasting it. That'll slow him down to about a crawl. :-)

I know I don't have a say in this, but I think it's too big a can of worms to say which is the troll and which is his teensy little mind.
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Postby Michael Patrick » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:34 am

Did you mean for the topic heading to say that copyright infringement is not allowed?
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Postby white_rabbit » Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:40 pm

If one gets quoted in the paper version of Isthmus, do they get immunity for the week?
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Postby Mike S. » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:48 am

There does seem to be a problem with the terminology. Fair use is, by definition, not copyright infringement. The problem is that there are too many corporations each aggressively trying to redraw the boundary lines and convince people that things allowed under the law are really illegal, and using terms that concede this point seems only to help them.

Perhaps a better use would have been, "Fair use is legal and welcome on this forum"
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Postby Chuck_Schick » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:54 am

Mike S. wrote:There does seem to be a problem with the terminology. Fair use is, by definition, not copyright infringement.

Duh. But cutting and pasting articles verbatim, with or without proper attribution of author and/or source is NOT fair use by any definition of the term.

The problem is that there are too many corporations each aggressively ... blah blah blah ...

The problem is that are too many retardo creeps here incapable of original thought. Period.
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Postby Mike S. » Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:03 pm

Apparently the copyright lawyers have usually gone with the idea that a newspaper article is a "portion of a work", and if you're posting it in a limited forum for discussing its factual content and implications, that's allowed, unless it has an adverse market effect on the authors. True, the idea that a news article is a "portion" is arbitrary and stupid, but so is all intellectual property law, no?

See

http://www.copyright.iupui.edu/fuscenarios.htm
http://www.chillingeffects.org/fairuse/faq.cgi#QID824

The problem is, what all the sources seem to agree on is that there is actually no way to predict how any given case would be decided in a court, so --- it probably doesn't help to have someone called "admin" posting a "sticky" at the top of an Isthmus forum saying that "copyright violation is allowed". Yeah, someone can explain that no, that's not what he meant, but ... American juries are stupid and American lawyers charge hundreds of dollars an hour to debate this bull.
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Re: Copyright infringement now allowed

Postby Peanutbutter » Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:22 am

admin wrote:Also, any posts that are blatant attempts to "troll" will be deleted without warning. Repeated attempts to "troll" will result in account deactivation.


Would posting image files in response to someone one has on "ignore" be considered trolling?
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Postby Jay Allen » Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:36 am

If someone is posting something without giving credit, that is not fair use.

For readability sake, it is really unnecessary to post entire friggin articles in a forum post. If we are able to log on to the forum, we are able to follow a link. I have never understood, in any of the forums I participate it, why some people feel the need to past a 1000 word or longer article in a forum post.

I have no problem with posting a paragraph here and there. But entire articles, columns, chapters, essays, etc, are completely unnecessary.

Post a link. If you don't know how to do that, contact Chuck, and I am sure he will help you.
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Postby Chuck_Schick » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:47 am

Mike S. wrote:Apparently the copyright lawyers have usually gone with the idea that a newspaper article is a "portion of a work", and if you're posting it in a limited forum for discussing its factual content and implications, that's allowed ...

See

http://www.copyright.iupui.edu/fuscenarios.htm
http://www.chillingeffects.org/fairuse/faq.cgi#QID824

Not the way I read the content behind those links it isn't. Your first link refers to a professor posting an article as part of a syllabus, from a paper that professor subscribes to.

Your second link pretty clearly states that posting an entire article from a commercial news site on your own website is not considered fair use.

You get an "F" for the day, Mike. Quit trying to justify this retarded trollery and, while you're at it, learn to fucking read, huh?
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Postby jjoyce » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:00 pm

I guess I don't think there's been sufficient court action to decide either way. Not only that, but most legit media organizations probably aren't likely to spend a lot of money fighting for the Make Bush Kings of the world.

Let him get a blog of his own and publish it there if he's so hot to pass off someone else's work as his own.
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