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Postby Mike S. » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:31 pm

Chuck, if you'd read what I wrote, I mentioned that an "adverse market effect" changed things. The part you're referring to is the L.A. Times vs. Free Republic decision, where one news source was quoting multiple news articles from another to start forum threads. In a situation like that, people can end up relying on the Free Republic to read the news instead of going to L.A. Times. And the use is not "transformative" - i.e. the Free Republic relied on their forum participants to provide the comment and discussion on the news article. There's a clear difference between that and having occasional news articles chosen by individual forum posters so that the poster can make a point. Now if you wanted to split hairs you could argue that the Isthmus admin staff "ought" to spot news articles that are posted in their entirety by a poster with no commentary, recognize that those are not "transformative" uses and therefore a little more dodgy (though they still have no market impact!), and delete them. However, the whole DMCA thing means that the Isthmus isn't required to do that kind of work - they can simply sit back and wait for the newspaper quoted to complain, and all they are required to do is to censor the item within 48 hours after they get a valid DMCA complaint. So that point is academic anyway.

Nonetheless, I still think that making a sticky by "admin" saying "copyright violation is allowed" is a really dumb thing to do, because it unnecessarily puts Isthmus in the position of looking bad in any future court case that comes up, when that's not even what they meant.

Note: I'm not a lawyer and this isn't legal advice, but sheesh.
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Postby kurt_w » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:01 am

Michael Patrick wrote:Did you mean for the topic heading to say that copyright infringement is not allowed?


I'd like to second Michael's question. This seems like a really weird subject line. If it is in fact a typo, it's annoying as heck to have it permanently sitting there at the top of the forum.
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Postby kurt_w » Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:51 am

That was quick. Thanks!
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Postby Jay Allen » Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:25 am

kurt_w wrote:That was quick. Thanks!
Not that quick, as this was mentioned two weeks ago...
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Postby kurt_w » Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:35 am

Jay Allen wrote:
kurt_w wrote:That was quick. Thanks!
Not that quick, as this was mentioned two weeks ago...


Ah, but from my perspective, it was changed within 14 minutes after I asked.
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Postby Michael Patrick » Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:13 am

kurt_w wrote:
Jay Allen wrote:
kurt_w wrote:That was quick. Thanks!
Not that quick, as this was mentioned two weeks ago...


Ah, but from my perspective, it was changed within 14 minutes after I asked.


I guess that means they like you better than me... :(
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Postby QuestionIt » Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:11 pm

Jay Allen wrote:I have never understood, in any of the forums I participate it, why some people feel the need to past a 1000 word or longer article in a forum post.

I have no problem with posting a paragraph here and there. But entire articles, columns, chapters, essays, etc, are completely unnecessary.

Post a link. If you don't know how to do that, contact Chuck, and I am sure he will help you.

Simply put... the internet is dynamic and often links change or become non-working.

The posting of an entire article gives the forum a chance to actually read it even if the link becomes non-functional.

This has its own problems but seems to be the only logical reason for posting an entire article.
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Postby goofticket » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:49 pm

If you quote a newspaper or print material, just include the author and who published it, and when.

It is that hard to give credit where it's due?

You may find an author, along the way, whose articles you like, that you didn't have access to before by following those credits.

I have been guilty, myself, of posting things and not including the byline.
I will try to not do that anymore.
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Why is this still here?

Postby bassbari » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:36 pm

Why is this still at the top of the topic list?
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Re: Why is this still here?

Postby roadkill bill » Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:18 pm

bassbari wrote:Why is this still at the top of the topic list?


Because it's sticky.

Although I have no professional knowledge of web forum protocol, I assume it means something the Admin wants to stay on top.
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Re: Why is this still here?

Postby fennel » Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:46 pm

roadkill bill wrote:
bassbari wrote:Why is this still at the top of the topic list?


Because it's sticky.

Although I have no professional knowledge of web forum protocol, I assume it means something the Admin wants to stay on top.


Sadly, that's right. I say sadly because professional journalistic protocol would more likely prompt a subject line of "Fair Use of copyrighted materials is encouraged." (with some polite caveats in order to satisfy counsel that the intent of copyright is not being abused.)

This is theoretically a forum, after all. There's a useful definition here:
http://www.library.yale.edu/~llicense/d ... l#Download
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Postby jjoyce » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:20 am

Somebody sure woke up on the self righteous side of the bed this morning.
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Postby gozer » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:35 am

as anywhere else it is in fact the trollophobes and would be censors wearing their mask for whatever reason who cause the most trouble but dare i say it seems to keep itself in balance here...yes, i do dare say that after reading oodles of posts
it is not heresy
& i will not recant
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Re: Copyright infringement not allowed

Postby jefsaw » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:21 am

"Trolling" is a local term that describes driving lazily down main street in Mount Horeb looking at Trolls.

http://www.sawyerspeaks.wordpress.com
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Re: Copyright infringement not allowed

Postby fennel » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:28 pm

jefsaw wrote:"Trolling" is a local term that describes driving lazily down main street in Mount Horeb looking at Trolls.

http://www.sawyerspeaks.wordpress.com

Hmm. What's the local term for "scraping the bottom of the barrel?"
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